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xstax
06-24-2005, 03:30 PM
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Xstax's Waterfall Park / Guide (http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/rct3_soaked_waterfallpark.aspx)
Now Featuring Mega Falls and Castle Falls!

I am creating a more intense guide that will show the creation of a park that contains several different waterfalls all using different methods of creation. The point of this more extensive guide is to show additional technics, more methods of planning and since I am using proper web editing software a better organized guide. The initial park is primarily a waterfalls demo so I will not be focusing on park development.

PS - I made the images on the main pages smaller rather than resizing using HTML like I had originally loading the new guides will be much faster now.

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Update! 7/5/2005 - Added a water fall resources section and added Vodhin's guide to it.
Update! 7/4/2005 - I've added the Waterfall Facts list! Let me know if I missed anything guys but I think these are about it.


Waterfall Facts
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* Bodies of water must be 1 or 2 blocks apart on the grid starting at the minimum waterfall height(2 squares).
* Bodies of water can be 3 blocks apart on the grid starting at a waterfall height of 3 and 2/3 squares. (tested this upto 400 feet and the distance still wouldn't exceed 3 blocks)
* The upper pool must be at least 2 blocks wide. (i have seen a screen of a 1 block wide top pool but can not reproduce it.)
* lower pool only needs to be 1 block of water. (used to create 1 block wide waterfalls)
* waterfalls must be at least 2 full squares high. 1 square is the distance between 2 grid lines or 1 full wall piece. Distance is measured from the top of each pools water level.
* A waterfall's top edge must be perfectly straight.
* A waterfall does not have to flow over a full flat tile but it is easier to get a straight edge that way.
* You CAN NOT make a diagonal waterfall so give up already.

Waterfall Resources
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Waterfall guide- a simple pictorial tutorial - by: Vodhin (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=477756&highlight=%2Awater%2A) - good guide better pictures than the ones I have below.




Xstax's Very Basic Guide to building waterfalls!!!
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This is a very basic guide to making your first waterfall. There are other ways but if you do it this way you'll understand what basically needs to be done to get them to work. The basic facts are now listed above.

The screen shots Below Are Not Perfect, I slapped them together really quickly so that there would be screens for the guide. Natural looking falls take patience and a lot of tweaking. This guide will not explain that process, practice is the key to mastering natural looking falls. I have been creating more detailed guides to creating different styles of falls use the link above to see those guides.




1. Build a Lake!
Yes I made it square. The shape of the lake isn't all that important at the moment.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0001.JPG

2. Build a mountain with a flatish top!
I used the create Mesa Tool and the Remove Exposed Terrain Tool. Then the water tool again because the lake had disappeared. :)

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0002.JPG

3. Create a River / Lake / Pond on the mountain!
Technically we could use the waterfall tool and it would probably work, but there's no guarantee it'll look the way you want so we're not going to use it just yet.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0003.JPG

Cliff Side Setup... Your water may disappear don't worry we'll bring it back before the end.

4. Using the single square tool lower the edge of the mountain where you want the falls all the way into your Lake. However wide you want. You may need to lower a few rows to do this.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0004.JPG

5. Selecting only half of the closest lowered block drag the half up to the edge you've created above. Do this all the way across the edge on the cliff side of the mountain. (not a needed step, unless you want the exposed terrain hidden, exposed terrain is needed for tunnels and rides to pass through waterfalls)

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0005.JPG

6. The top edge where the falls will be should be a straight line If it isn't make it so now.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0006.JPG

7. Manually Fix any exposed edges. (not a needed step, unless you want the exposed terrain hidden, exposed terrain is needed for tunnels and rides to pass through waterfalls)

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0007.JPG

Upper / River Side Setup... very similar to 4-7.

8. Using the single square tool lower the inner edge of the falls into your river, lake or pond. At the very top of the edge where the falls will actually be leave it pointed. Remember only select half the block when you get to the edge part. Do this for all the tiles you did on the opposite side. (not a needed step, 1 full tile can be raised here if you prefer)

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0008.JPG

9. The inner edge should still be straight as was on the other side. This edge is the key to controlling where your waterfall begins and ends. Leaving some exposed tile to the left and right will also improve your control otherwise the game may shorten the width slightly.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0009.JPG

xstax
06-24-2005, 03:31 PM
10. Manually Fix any exposed edges. DO NOT USE THE SMOOTHING TOOLS OR IT'LL SCREW IT UP.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0010.JPG

11. Refill your water.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0011.JPG

12. Before using the waterfall tool make sure the rest of the mountain looks how you want it to. You'll be able to do some editing but not much near your waterfalls.

13. Use the waterfall tool by clicking once at the top of your falls and again at the bottom. The reverse also works.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0012.JPG

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Building a Path Behind Your Falls
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FYI you can build raised paths through falls. But that's not what I'm talking about. This puts a path on the ground without the rails. I'm not going to give step by step directions but I'll explain as best I can. Make your falls once figure out where the fall starts to shoot the water from that edge you have 2 squares to build a path at or near ground level. You may need to edit the terrain but remember to 1 keep the start point of the fall where it was when you built it the first time and 2 remember you only have 2 tiles to build the path area and start the water so it's a tight fit. I used square terrain no sloping when I figured this out. I'm going to try and make one with sloping soon if it can be done that is.

This can be done with sloping and you actually have about 2 and a half squares to start the water from the falls edge. I can't wait to be able to add pictures for all this.



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Points of Interest
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1. Body Slides (possibly other rides) can pass through a waterfall if exiting (possibly entering) through a mountain.
2. Riders from Non-Tracked water rides (canoe, jetski's, etc...) will go play in Waterfalls.


Credits
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Guide Written & Organized By Xstax

Points of Interest submitted by:
bwoogie
LightWarriorK

cyber360
06-24-2005, 03:33 PM
that's looks great thanks for updating it now this needs to be pinned maybe bctrainers can do that.

xstax
06-24-2005, 03:34 PM
Because of the number of images I had to space the guide between 2 posts. So the posts would not have 20 replies between them I started a new thread and I will request that this one be stickied and the other be removed.

coasterdude89
06-24-2005, 03:52 PM
Thanks so much for this! It will really help me out when I play the game again later! :up:

gppnj
06-24-2005, 05:07 PM
Don't go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

WalkingSnake
06-24-2005, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by gppnj
Don't go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

For the longest time I thought that song said "Go Go Jason Waterfalls."

:p

rforeman
06-24-2005, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by gppnj
Don't go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.


ROTFLMAO :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

coasterfreak00
06-24-2005, 08:30 PM
This is a lot better with screens!

Good job. :up:

xstax
06-24-2005, 08:43 PM
I wrote this for my Beta Brothers while we were testing and we were forbidden from using screens for anything except for bug reports. So the guide had to be written without the help of screens. I've been waiting to do it up a little better and when I have more time to devote I'll swap out the existing screens with some prettier ones.

Mr. Six
06-26-2005, 04:42 PM
BTW All tracked rides that I have found can go through water falls. Entering or exiting.

aoshi
06-26-2005, 08:11 PM
Thank you xstax I needed help with waterfalls :)

maddogmark
06-27-2005, 09:14 AM
wayyy to complicated for me, until we get a better solution im just stick with rivers and lakes :haha:

jsade
06-27-2005, 04:55 PM
thanks for the speedy waterfall tutorial, it looks a bit complicated but i will give it a go.
:up:

JavaJoy01
06-27-2005, 08:04 PM
Ummmm... Can that be written for stupid people like me??? lol

I spent the last two hours trying to make a water fall and I just can't get it right...LOL.

I think I'll flatten it all out and start over again...

coasterfreak00
06-28-2005, 09:30 PM
Its SUPER easy to make the "unrealistic ones" but the "realsitic ones" are SUPER hard.

Atreyuu2003
07-01-2005, 12:13 AM
On #7 you put "Manually fix exposed areas". How in the world did you change the gray color from flattening the land to green?
Thanks in advance, Troy

xstax
07-03-2005, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Atreyuu2003
On #7 you put "Manually fix exposed areas". How in the world did you change the gray color from flattening the land to green?
Thanks in advance, Troy

The single block terrain tool allows you to select corners and edges of blocks. By selecting corners or edges you can manipulate the gray areas.

Originally posted by JavaJoy01
Ummmm... Can that be written for stupid people like me??? lol

I spent the last two hours trying to make a water fall and I just can't get it right...LOL.

I think I'll flatten it all out and start over again...
The simplest way. Lake on top. Lake on Bottom. Seperate by no more than 2 blocks use waterfall tool. This guide is a beginers guide but with more controll on the width and control aspects of waterfalls. It will take practice to get your falls to look the way you want.

Originally posted by coasterfreak00
Its SUPER easy to make the "unrealistic ones" but the "realsitic ones" are SUPER hard.

The bigger the hill system the easier it seems to be to get a real looking waterfall. An option that also works well is making squared (concrete looking) waterfall points. This loses that natural waterfall look but in a waterpark it's more likely any waterfall you see would be man made to blocking the area where the falls release might actually be the most realistic option.

Originally posted by jsade
thanks for the speedy waterfall tutorial, it looks a bit complicated but i will give it a go.
:up:

Waterfalls unfortunately aren't setup to be super easy the most basic ones are but when you want the to look a certain way you've gotta get your hands dirty and do the landscaping just so to get everything the way you want it.

missionballer
07-11-2005, 02:58 PM
waaayyyyy too much for me why the hell did they hafta make it so complicated to create waterfalls? why cant there be a "smart" icon or something built into the game like an auto complete? ill just stick to lakes and rivers as someone said in an earlier post

xstax
07-11-2005, 04:07 PM
It's really easy once you get down the basics it's getting those basics into your planning and such that takes a few tries to get acustom to. Personally I'd catagorize waterfalls as an advanced option. If you really want to use them you'll have to get into that I've gotta adapt and overcome mindset. Designing good coasters IMO is way harder than designing waterfalls.

xstax
07-28-2005, 12:10 AM
Awww crap I lost my sticky!

Edit: Yayyyyyy I got my sticky back!

hmmm that sounded kinda gross.

mouse77
09-05-2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by coasterfreak00
This is a lot better with screens!

Good job. :up: :)

rlindsey
11-12-2005, 02:14 AM
Don't think just because a waterfall is squarish that it's not usefull and can be very nice with the right theming around it.

I made these with just your basic square shapes and think that they turned out alright.

http://www.kryptonitepaintball.com/rct/rct3/wfex01.JPG

http://www.kryptonitepaintball.com/rct/rct3/wfex02.JPG

http://www.kryptonitepaintball.com/rct/rct3/wfex03.JPG

On the last image the details are there they just get lost because of the massive size of the water feature. There's 22 waterfalls in a 5 step lake. This way of waterfall designing is very good for making 'urban' types also. Like in a city park. The most important thing to remember about waterfalls is that the edges of the top and bottom lake have to be straight against each other and no more that 1 square apart from the top lake's edge.

beckyk
03-10-2006, 01:56 AM
Thank you! I've been trying to figure this out all evening.

smckennon
05-03-2006, 01:59 AM
:D 10. Manually Fix any exposed edges. DO NOT USE THE SMOOTHING TOOLS OR IT'LL SCREW IT UP.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0010.JPG

11. Refill your water.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0011.JPG

12. Before using the waterfall tool make sure the rest of the mountain looks how you want it to. You'll be able to do some editing but not much near your waterfalls.

13. Use the waterfall tool by clicking once at the top of your falls and again at the bottom. The reverse also works.

http://guidesbygamers.net/games/rct3/soaked/wfg/WFG_0012.JPG

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Building a Path Behind Your Falls
------------------------------------------
FYI you can build raised paths through falls. But that's not what I'm talking about. This puts a path on the ground without the rails. I'm not going to give step by step directions but I'll explain as best I can. Make your falls once figure out where the fall starts to shoot the water from that edge you have 2 squares to build a path at or near ground level. You may need to edit the terrain but remember to 1 keep the start point of the fall where it was when you built it the first time and 2 remember you only have 2 tiles to build the path area and start the water so it's a tight fit. I used square terrain no sloping when I figured this out. I'm going to try and make one with sloping soon if it can be done that is.

This can be done with sloping and you actually have about 2 and a half squares to start the water from the falls edge. I can't wait to be able to add pictures for all this.



------------------------------------------
Points of Interest
------------------------------------------
1. Body Slides (possibly other rides) can pass through a waterfall if exiting (possibly entering) through a mountain.
2. Riders from Non-Tracked water rides (canoe, jetski's, etc...) will go play in Waterfalls.


Credits
---------
Guide Written & Organized By Xstax

Points of Interest submitted by:
bwoogie
LightWarriorK
Finally I understand how to build a perfect waterfall

rObY1985
03-21-2007, 11:48 AM
For the longest time I thought that song said "Go Go Jason Waterfalls."

:p




Same here. I had no idea what she meant though:D

eye_hait_Vista
06-22-2007, 08:54 AM
That was hard to understand. "Two bodies of water must be 1-2 squares apart with a waterfall height of 2"? Then it says they can be three apart? To me, it just sounds like your contradicting yourself, but im a noob.

michielh3
06-22-2007, 01:34 PM
don't want to get in a fight or so , but your pictures don't work ...

StarRngr4.0
06-22-2007, 02:24 PM
That was hard to understand. "Two bodies of water must be 1-2 squares apart with a waterfall height of 2"? Then it says they can be three apart? To me, it just sounds like your contradicting yourself, but im a noob.

no, he's not. he is saying that there must be one or two, but no more than two, squares of land between the two bodies of water, with a minimum elevation difference of 2 levels, in order to make a waterfall at all. anything more horizontally, or less vertically and the in game tool will flat out refuse to create it.

thesmallterror
08-20-2007, 12:57 AM
most screens don't work

Edawg649
12-12-2008, 04:19 PM
I can't see the pictures :-(

liamrocks
12-12-2008, 05:14 PM
Thats becaues this was first posted in 2005. I would be surprized if the poster had not removed his images from imageshack. If they have been deleated, the pics are no longer being hosted. Try searching for a diffrent waterfall tutorial.