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larry241
08-10-2005, 11:39 PM
PREVIEW VIDEO OF RACKHAM'S REVENGE HERE:
http://www.uploading.com/?get=UWMEYY8U

Here is the very first pic of my new park:

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9941/teaser10iw.jpg

I've been racking my brain as to what to do. Then I was looking through some pictures on the web and saw DisneySea. Well, I'm not about to copy it. Especially since there's hardly any photos out there. I liked the entry buildings though and thought a Venice feel to an entry square would be good for a park about seas and ocean adventures. So here's some possibilities: an area for pirates, one for ancient Greek/Atlantis style ruins, one for a north African Marco Polo style area, and/or one for a boardwalk/midway setting. Not sure if I'll do some or all. Depends on size of land, lag, etc. I don't think I want to do a "future" style. CircleVision kind of rules in that area. But you never know.
I'd love to hear any and all suggestions for areas and themes, as well as a name for the park.
Thanks again to all those that enjoyed Roaring Canyons. I hope this will be better than the last.
See ya'll later!!!

RctGirl45
08-10-2005, 11:43 PM
looks like a nice start! good job, you are going to make backs to those buildings, right?:p

larry241
08-10-2005, 11:49 PM
yes...yes there will be backs to buildings.
And that entry building actually has a roof on it. A shallow sloped roof.
I'm an architect. I tend not to forget about those kind of things.
Thanks for taking a look!
I'll post more this weekend.

Soda Jerk 205
08-11-2005, 12:31 AM
If this is anything like ur last park.... IT WILL ROCK!

larry241
08-11-2005, 02:49 PM
Thanks SJ! I'm hoping it does.
Anyone have thoughts about which area to start first?
"an area for pirates, one for ancient Greek/Atlantis style ruins, one for a north African Marco Polo style area, and/or one for a boardwalk/midway setting"
Which ever it is, the buildings will most likely be connected visually to the back of the entry buildings, and then wrap around the corner of the park.

JCat
08-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Nice section there, Larry! :up:

KiDFoX
08-11-2005, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by larry241
I don't think I want to do a "future" style. CircleVision kind of rules in that area. But you never know.

Everyone finds inspiration somewhere. CV might get ideas form artists like Kerem Gogus (http://artofkerem.sitesled.com/cityscapes.html) I'm not sure but there is a familiarity in what he creates.

None the less as good as he is with that style everyone has something that speaks to them and you just have to decide what inspires you.

Out of the choices you have I would probalby do the pirates first and try to find some sort of landscape and buildings that fit that theme.

larry241
08-11-2005, 04:37 PM
Wow. That's some good inspiration and beautiful work.
Ah, yes, pirate theme. Hmmm...I'm thinking P. of Carribean look. The Venetian entry look can easily turn the corner and transform into a fortress, then scale down to village and then island. Yes!
Well, wife's away this weekend, so I'll probably get a bunch done.
Can't wait!
Thanks!

larry241
08-12-2005, 12:30 AM
Well, it's late here and I have to get to bed.
I just wanted to post these updates.
What do think? Any ideas yet (read above)?
Thanks for all your comments!

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7637/piazza08110530lt.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3336/piazza08110543or.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6431/piazza08110527ce.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7748/piazza08110519wp.jpg

dougbarkermrf
08-12-2005, 01:40 AM
that is so beautiful. i cant wait for more!

KiDFoX
08-12-2005, 09:54 AM
Looks like the new pictures stopped working...

I will try to remember what I saw befofe going to bed last night. I think I liked the new roof lines better and the addition of the coral reef was a nice touch for a sea thememed park. Not sure what elese there was right off hand.

I am so confused... :)

Edit: Never mind there are the pictures must have been a glitch.

live_the_thrill
08-12-2005, 09:59 AM
What? They are working, and they look amazing! Clever use of arches to raise them up, cant wait to see more. It does look a little weird, those tall buildings with nothing else, im sure it will look perfect once the rest are in!

KiDFoX
08-12-2005, 10:05 AM
Yeah the pictures finally loaded... not sure why they weren't at first.

I suspect there will be more behind those buildings to aid in the scale of things.

larry241
08-12-2005, 10:13 AM
Morning. Happy Friday.
I think Imageshack is being a little slow today.
Thanks for the comments. KF, you're right about the buildings. They'll have more behind them. It's easier to build without it right now. Plus, the backs of the buildings will actually be the fronts of the other areas. Kind of like how Disney shares common areas and buildings.
after I get these facades right, the building will arch over the canal on one side and form another small piazza on an island that overlooks the lake. It'll be a nice picture spot.
Then the buildings will "transform" into the other themes as you exit the entry piazza. First will be the pirate area - see comments above.
Wife's out of town, so I'll work more on it tonight.
See ya!

larry241
08-13-2005, 10:44 AM
Here's the latest update:
I've added a bridge across the canal to connect buildings.
I've really discovered some great ways to "layer" facades and textures. It's fun, but I find myself constantly updating building walls and colors. And yes, it's a real pathway in the tunnel for peeps to use.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2154/piazza08140532kc.jpg

You can get a better idea of scale with these pics showing the inspector. Notice I've also started adding walls behind the arches of the buildings.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7563/piazza08140528cu.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4849/piazza08140514dl.jpg

Well, that's all for now. Enjoy!

live_the_thrill
08-13-2005, 11:05 AM
I think it looks great! I do not like that bridge though, looks way out of place. Try using those mid steep path pieces, I think it would look a lot better!! Do you plan on making a boat tour on those canals?

larry241
08-13-2005, 11:26 AM
Yeah, I'm kind of agreeing with you. I was trying to use some kind of overhead bridge to block the view out.
Plus, there really isn't a bridge like this in Venice, so I really don't have any precedent to really base it on.

I don't know.
Yes, I'm doing a tour boat. It will pass through the canal and run around the park.

Cybinary
08-13-2005, 06:14 PM
Looks Awsome as always Larry...wish I had your skill!
Can't wait for more!

larry241
08-14-2005, 05:31 PM
Here's the latest pics of the piazza. I'm kind of taking ideas and influence from different Italian cities, like Venice, Portofino, Venezza, and Florence; all in a hodge-podge. I've also changed the bridge over the canal.
http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/5947/newpiazza08140516cx.jpg

You can see the backside of the fountain I made.
http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/7490/newpiazza08140534lb.jpg

http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/5015/newpiazza08140527jn.jpg

Here's a closeup of the fountain.
http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/558/newpiazza08140547xs.jpg

Let me know what you think? Any ideas for park names?
Thanks!

lewis31lewis52
08-14-2005, 05:41 PM
The park looks amazing, but what's a piazza? Were not talking baseball here.

larry241
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
Thanks!
It's a public square or plaza.

MDEKing
08-14-2005, 07:20 PM
Heh, at first I thought it said "pizza.":rolleyes:

Anyways, looks very good so far, and the fountain is awesome.:up:

shapiro
08-14-2005, 07:31 PM
COOOOOOOOOL!!!




Alec

Bengiwicked
08-14-2005, 07:49 PM
Great park! Looking very realistic at the moment but the bridge is way to out of place, maybe if you make it a bit more sloped then that would be alright.

live_the_thrill
08-14-2005, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Bengiwicked
Great park! Looking very realistic at the moment but the bridge is way to out of place, maybe if you make it a bit more sloped then that would be alright.

I agree fully, it just looks wrong, but apart from that everything else looks great!

For a name, how about something like:

Forgotten Falls, Gentle Falls, Riverside?

larry241
08-14-2005, 09:50 PM
Are you guys talking about the orange bridges, or the ones that go from the second floor of one building to the second floor of the other?

marnetmar
08-14-2005, 09:59 PM
Looks excellent so far Larry :up: :up:

larry241
08-14-2005, 10:32 PM
Thanks M!
Where's Tidus at? I wanted the Italian's perspective.
Oh, thanks for the names LTT. I wanted something with Port, or something, but that names been so over used. It won't be a "forgotten" type park, but that's a good name. The main theme is ocean or seas. I'm thinking the DisneySea concept, but smaller, and not Disney. I'm going do a pirate theme next. I'll turn the corner of one of those sides with a building and fortress. Think - Pirates of the Carribean look.
As far as the orange bridge goes, it's something that's not a permanent design. But I really like my new bridge spanning the second floors. I'll have to get a closer pic for you all.
See ya!

wabigbear
08-14-2005, 10:33 PM
I think the orange bridges are the ones that don't look quite there...the masonary bridge is perfect I think. The look for the orange bridges I understand, but seems to look too peaked...maybe but a flat section in the middle, then drop down one level edge of the piazza, then split into two more drops paralleling the canal? Hard to explain, sorry!

Was also wondering if maybe you could add either a free-standing clock tower or one on the corner of one of the buildings?

This is very impressive and I really love the look. In rct2 I used to use many, many layers to get the look I wanted, nice to see someone making it work so nice in rct3 as well!

larry241
08-14-2005, 10:57 PM
Thanks for the comments wabigbear!
I love it when I get constructive criticism from you all. It really helps. As for the orange stairs. Take a look at Venice.
Here's a couple I am taking inspiration from for those. I still have to definitely add some touches before I'm done.
http://www.davidpatterson.com/Venice/bridges.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/138027/2/Bridge_in_Venice.jpg
And the clock tower. Well, I did add the scenery clock tower. Even though it's German, not Italian. I think you're meaning a bell tower. Like at Piazza San Marco. http://www.alpontemocenigo.com/img/location4.jpg
It's called a campanille.
That's a good idea!!! I'll just have to find a place. Thanks!!
See you guys later!
Time for bed.

shyguy
08-14-2005, 10:57 PM
This is looking beautiful so far. Looks like a scene right out of Venice. It just makes me wish Frontier would concentrate on making more scenery packs instead of animals and carnival flat rides.:weird:

Just imagine what things great artist's like you could come up with using actual Italian theming. And how about Oriental, Victorian, Olde European, Art Deco, etc. etc. (Are all you community scenery designers reading this?? hint hint)

ytivarg
08-14-2005, 11:21 PM
Beautiful, beautiful stuff here, Larry. You've hit the Venice feel right on the head.

I do have to agree with everyone who mentioned those orange bridges. I think it's the abrupt peak that's killing the feel. Everything else is so appealingly laid-back to the eye, and then there's a bright orange peak pokin' you in the eye. :haha: I think a (stairs up-gentle up-flat-gentle down-stairs down) configuration would flow much better with the rest of the park.

Regardless... I love it... it's simply gorgeous to look at. Excellent job. 4.5 stars (just cuz of my eye gettin' poked by that bridge) :haha:

live_the_thrill
08-15-2005, 08:09 AM
Larry, it is the bridge over the river, it sticks out way too much, and I didnt even notice the other stairs leading to the 2nd floor.

larry241
08-15-2005, 09:17 AM
Thank you guys! Well, I'll definitely change the orange and make it smoother. That'll be my next stuff to work on. Oh, then I'll see if a campanille will fit somewhere.
Bye

manue
08-15-2005, 10:18 AM
I had a look at the pictures before reading the post and the 1st thing I thought was "it looks like in Roma". I'm not Italian but I guess you really catch the spirit. I never been in Venice, but old buildings in Italy are looking the same tha you did :)
Great job !

larry241
08-15-2005, 10:28 AM
Thanks manue. It's really a conglomeration - ew, big word - of different architectural styles in different cities, Rome included, along with Venice and Portofino as well. I wish we could do the brick work and the intricate latice work of Venice and the Doge's Palace, but we're stuck with what we've got.

manue
08-15-2005, 11:08 AM
but we're stuck with what we've got.
Sure but that's the challenge! And when someone find the location (almost) at the first glance, you got it, you can be sure you've done good work;)

KiDFoX
08-15-2005, 11:24 AM
How about calling it Piazzaria?

May I get a large pepperoni piazza with extra mozzarella and extra sauce?

Looking good so far, I agree with previous posts about the red bridges they don't seem to fit in with everything else I think it maybe that they are just to darn plain with it just being a path over the water where everything else has had more detail to it.

Overall not a big deal since it is so easy to revisit it at some time.

larry241
08-15-2005, 11:40 AM
ROFLOL :haha: :up:
Man, that makes me hungry. Didn't eat breakfast.
I wish we had some non-circular arches. Like one block tall but two long. Don't worry I'll make something work. I'll probably use a fence type and lower the land underneath and sneak up to the bridge path.
I used stuk71's new roof to create the awnings on the Portofino styled buildings (the peach and red buildings). I wonder if I can get them to do something for the bridges.

By the way everyone - KiDFoX is working on another incredible park. But we won't see it for quite a while. He's good, real good.

See ya.

Tidus243
08-15-2005, 02:53 PM
Hi larry, sorry if I'm late but I returned from holiday just few days ago. Wow, I like your new park, all is in the right place and the buildings looks very cool and realistic. Anyway the custom archs don't fit very well with the rest of scenery, due to their color, different from the standard ones.
But I give you 5 stars to your work, and I hope it will grew so big!

Milkdud
08-15-2005, 02:59 PM
Wow, I'm surpirsed to see so much mixing of themes and the result not looking bad. This looks very good! I do agree with the orange bridges killing the mood, though. Maybe not only smoothing it out but also changing the path type will look much better. Perhaps the crazy pavings type path? (not the underwater tunnel ones)

larry241
08-15-2005, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I'll change it. I just used it earlier because it was the same path I was using for the piazza. Definitely use crazy path. I'll have to figure out how to get the height of it right though so that the boats can pass under it. Thanks for checking things out.
See ya!

AceHawkX
08-15-2005, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Cybinary
Looks Awsome as always Larry...wish I had your skill!
Can't wait for more!

What he said, keep up the good work!

larry241
08-16-2005, 08:29 AM
Hi guys,
Well, I was doing some testing last night and came up with these two looks. These are the only fence types that seemed to work that were solid pieces. Of course the real bridge will be two paths wide, but you can see here the idea. I might be able to make it longer by having the path extend into the land one more block, but not sure it will work. Give me you thoughts and I would love some ideas. Are there any other short walls/fences that are solid that would work?
Thanks!
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2506/bridge27fs.jpg

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4782/bridge18ni.jpg

Cybinary
08-16-2005, 09:11 AM
I like the first version better myself...very nicely done!

W1ckeD
08-16-2005, 09:12 AM
Yeah the first version is the best one! :D

larry241
08-16-2005, 11:21 AM
Thanks. Any other ideas for walls that tilt with the land? I couldn't find any.

Milkdud
08-16-2005, 11:29 AM
I think the second one has more of a Venice type feel you seem to be going for.

AceHawkX
08-16-2005, 02:52 PM
IMO, they both look a little off to be honest, but i think the 2nd one is better than the 1st

Tidus243
08-16-2005, 03:03 PM
I love that bridge!

larry241
08-16-2005, 03:26 PM
Thanks, which one?
Have you seen a different way?

manue
08-16-2005, 03:39 PM
I think the second one has more of a Venice type feel you seem to be going for.
I agree with milkdud, it would be nice if you post a pic with the bridges and the buildings together, just to be sure;)

shapiro
08-16-2005, 04:45 PM
I love that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

release yet?


Alec

larry241
08-16-2005, 05:04 PM
Release Yet??????
OMG - I just started dude.
Read some of the thread. I'm going to transition one side of this entry into a pirate themed area, then do a boardwalk midway or greek/roman lost city (Atlantis), then maybe some type of old American port town.
I don't want to make it too big, so I'll have to limit the themes/land. Maybe as big as Roaring Canyons, not sure.

bluesnake
08-16-2005, 05:42 PM
How about this combination:

http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/2900/shot00002xr.jpg

the advantage: you can keep a flat river bottom,

This is Atlantis Theme.

BTW, your buildings are fantastic! :up:

Soda Jerk 205
08-16-2005, 05:46 PM
I like that one, the atlantis themed one, something was wrong with the others. this looks more natural.

KiDFoX
08-16-2005, 06:08 PM
The last one so far works best in my point of view, I would like to look at some photos of what you are going for if there are any examples.

I not getting far in a hurry on my park so I thought maybe I could see what you were trying to get to and maybe get an idea or two.

The space walls were just not doing it for me and the fence was better color wise but I don't think it was what you were trying to get.

larry241
08-16-2005, 06:10 PM
That's beautiful bluesnake! I used that same technique for creating the second story bridge connecting the two buildings. I didn't like the top of the arch sticking out underneath the center arch; which is why I moved my end ones up. I think it looks more gentle. More Venetian than Roman. Plus, I don't like the ends of the walls being as tall as a peep.
I'm really trying to go for something more smooth. Which is what some people commented on here.
Take a look at these pictures:
http://www.davidpatterson.com/Venice/bridges.jpg
EDITED:[http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/places/travel/654276_venice_gondola_iii.php?id=654276
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/architecture/bridges/136785_bridge_in_venice.php?id=136785
The second one is real close to bluesnakes! Hmmmm....
I've asked some people if they know of or could make solid walls that conform to land angles. That would help. I may try using the Atlantis fence to see what happens.
Thank you so much for your help bluesnake! You should try using that yourself.
See ya.

bluesnake
08-16-2005, 06:40 PM
I think, I like making bridges :D

If yoe like something more filigree:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6760/shot00019si.jpg

Xophe
08-16-2005, 06:47 PM
Larry, if you angle the land below the walls in the same way as you've done, but make the angled tiles lower than the flat tiles that make up the riverbed, you could put terrain blocks on top of them level with the flat tiles so the riverbed isn't all jagged.

larry241
08-16-2005, 06:49 PM
Oooooh, such the bridge builder you are!
I like the blue. Wonder how it would work with my arches.
I'll have to check it out tonight at home. I'm still at work.

larry241
08-16-2005, 06:50 PM
Oh, yeah Xophe. I was just running some tests before to see what people think.
Thanks though.

live_the_thrill
08-16-2005, 07:11 PM
I like Bluesnakes first bridge, it looks so much better, but it is up to you which design you use. So which one will you pick?;)

larry241
08-16-2005, 07:14 PM
What's behind the next door?
No, really. I'll figure it out later. Of course, nothing is permanent.
What do you think of this name?
ODYSSEY BAY

live_the_thrill
08-16-2005, 07:18 PM
Yer I like it, but it depends, if it is going to be a mythical park. How about something like, Lakeside Bay, or just Lakeside? Something with a bit of class.

What door?:p

larry241
08-16-2005, 07:25 PM
HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THIS THREAD?
What lake?
Venice and Portofino are on an ocean/sea. When was the last time you heard of pirates wreaking havoc on a lake?
Boardwalks and midways usually occur on a beach. Sure, can happen on a lake. A REALLY big lake like one of the Great Lakes.
And an old American/European port? Like, New England style - no lake.
odyssey - n. pl. od·ys·seys
An extended adventurous voyage or trip.
An intellectual or spiritual quest: an odyssey of discovery.
I'm not talking about Homer's epic poem here. It's not a Greek tragedy or mythical whatever.
Everyone uses "port" or "discovery" or "expedition"
I was just looking for something different.
Oh well.
Thanks for ideas though.

live_the_thrill
08-16-2005, 07:39 PM
Lol, I was just throughing a few names into the hat, I can see where you are coming from though, it is your park, so you pick the name (and the bridge)

larry241
08-16-2005, 07:43 PM
Thanks LTT. I still appreciate the suggestion greatly. If I didn't want a comment, I wouldn't have asked.
I'm just so glad that so many people have helped me out and are interested.
I'm leaving work soon, so I probably won't be posting anything else until morning so I can work on the park tonight.
Thanks to all!

bluesnake
08-16-2005, 07:59 PM
Had one last idea (before I go to bed). Simple but impressive. True venetian style:
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/4520/shot0002brk0bo.jpg

KiDFoX
08-16-2005, 08:13 PM
Ok here is a bridge in Venice (http://www.jssgallery.org/Essay/Venice/Bridges_and_Canals/Bridges_and_Side_Canals.htm)

And here is what I came up with.

http://www.foxsystems.com/images/rct/hq/bridge.jpg

larry241
08-16-2005, 08:21 PM
BEAUTIFUL!!!!
I love it.
Leaving work now.
I'll play around with it tonight.
Thanks!!!

KiDFoX
08-16-2005, 08:51 PM
I think this would fit in that custom building pack I want to put together eventually. I have a few variations on these if you want the files I can make a zip of the four files.

weasel497
08-16-2005, 10:00 PM
How did you make those bridges red?:confused:

Please tell me!:D

Nice park so far!!! Really like it!

KiDFoX
08-16-2005, 10:10 PM
The red bridges are the ornate tile path ( that colorful one covering ghis piazza) raised up.

larry241
08-17-2005, 08:00 AM
Alright, here's the final bridge. As you can see, the boat still passes under it. I'll have tell more about that later.
Anyway, you can see I used the marble pathway with the Atlantis fence. I liked KF's, but I think I'll use it in a different area.
Thanks again to all for your help. Talk to you later today.
Oh, I had to use putfile today. Something wasn't working with imagehut.
http://x1.putfile.com/8/22806550594-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/22806550594.jpg&s=x1)

http://x1.putfile.com/8/22806555985-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/22806555985.jpg&s=x1)

http://x1.putfile.com/8/22806563569-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/22806563569.jpg&s=x1)

http://x1.putfile.com/8/22806565615-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=8/22806565615.jpg&s=x1)

Cybinary
08-17-2005, 08:30 AM
That looks awsome...very good job larry. I can't believe how creative everyone is on this board. Those were all some very nice bridges! Parks looking great larry, keep up the good work!

KiDFoX
08-17-2005, 08:43 AM
Hey Larry,

Looks great! Big improvement they really fit in now.

One thing I would suggest, to kill the supports get Pumpers Steelworks set and use his new support killer. It is clear so you won't see it in the water. That's what I had on my test bridge it works great.

I really like the tall bridge!

larry241
08-17-2005, 09:54 AM
Hi.
Thanks KF, glad you like it. I intend on using the new killer when done. I haven't played with it yet to see how to delete it, so I didn't want to take a chance on messing anything up right now.
One thing I had to do was lower the water to make the boat fit under the bridge. I didn't want to lower the land, sit it would have messed up the bridge, so I used some roof pieces right under the bridge path in some cases so you can see them. I couldn't fill in all the angled spaces underneath the bridges because the boat gets blocked. That's how you can control where it goes by the way.
One bridge down, one to go. Then maybe work on boat dock or other buildings on island. Or maybe even start transition to pirate theme.
What do you think of the park name?

KiDFoX
08-17-2005, 10:31 AM
Piazzaria? Where if darze zomtin da matta wit yous itzza your owna stinkin fault.

Oh I like that name. Think I heard that somewhere before...


Oh you mean Odessy Bay, I don't dislike it I don't love it but I would be more interested in it than something that started with Six Flags.

I has more creativity than Six Flags over East Jesus Arkansas or something like that.

I mean you might as well just say Cookie Cutter Park ploped in East Jesus wher eyou can yet again ride Batman the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ride and Mister freezzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

Huh? Oh sorry I fell asleep.

So yeah Odessey Bay is a pretty good name. You could call it peregrination port...

larry241
08-17-2005, 10:43 AM
:downcast: :downcast: :bored: :) :D :haha: :haha: ...:bulb: :cry:
Well, that got me on the floor.
People around here listening to me trying to hold my laughs in.
Embarassing.
Oh well.
You know, I really wanted to name it Expedition Bay. ;)

Cybinary
08-17-2005, 11:57 AM
I agree Odyssey Bay sounds so much better than Six Flags over Iraq! =)

Maybe you could call it "Antico la via del fiume palazzo".

It means Antique River Road Plaza (I think :p )

larry241
08-17-2005, 12:20 PM
The ancient road of the river plaza.
Hmmm.
I like Porto Awentura better. But it's too "common".
Anway, not using Italian, since it's not the main theme.

Cybinary
08-17-2005, 12:33 PM
Oh ok...thought the whole venice theme was going to be the major theme to the park =)

larry241
08-17-2005, 12:43 PM
I know this is 3 pages long now, so to get an idea of my design for the park, I quote myself from my first post:
I've been racking my brain as to what to do. Then I was looking through some pictures on the web and saw DisneySea. Well, I'm not about to copy it. Especially since there's hardly any photos out there. I liked the entry buildings though and thought a Venice feel to an entry square would be good for a park about seas and ocean adventures. So here's some possibilities: an area for pirates, one for ancient Greek/Atlantis style ruins, one for a China/India (EDIT) Marco Polo style area, and/or one for a boardwalk/midway setting. Not sure if I'll do some or all. Depends on size of land, lag, etc. I don't think I want to do a "future" style. CircleVision kind of rules in that area. But you never know.
I was also thinking of a New England or Spanish/European style port.
Not exactly sure what will/will not be in here. Definitely pirates.

Thanks!!!

Cybinary
08-17-2005, 01:08 PM
Thats right...*Smacks self on head* I remember you posting that before. Cool, then Odyssey Bay does seem to fit.

shyguy
08-17-2005, 01:44 PM
The new bridges look GREAT! Your early attempts just weren't working, imo, but you got them just right. This park is going to be wonderful. I think Mr. Wonder is going to be jealous. :p

larry241
08-17-2005, 02:18 PM
The Adrenaland Valley Production Company is always looking for new hires! Maybe he should contract out.
I'd love to see his ideas on 18th/19th century American ports and oriental theming.
Gravity had some good stuff on his Villians park. I may have to "borrow" some of his ideas.

shyguy
08-17-2005, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by larry241
I'd love to see his ideas on 18th/19th century American ports and oriental theming. Mr. Wonder already has definite plans for an Oriental section. But that's top secret! Ooops.

larry241
08-18-2005, 06:55 PM
WOW, you don't post for a day and you wind up on page 3.
I'm betting it quiets down once most kids are in school.
I've added the second bridge over the canal and started the final group of buildings on the island.
Check it out:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8995/island10yx.jpg

Here's a view from on top of the bridge.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7145/island21zp.jpg

Here's a couple of night time shots showing the buildings on the left under construction. I've already tweaked the closest green building, so it's a little different than shown.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7164/island32ga.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9741/island40nm.jpg

I'll try to finish the buildings tonight and see if a campanille will work. Hmmm, that back area looks like a great place for gondola rides....

live_the_thrill
08-18-2005, 07:00 PM
I love the last 2 shots, those large buildings blend in perfectly, I thought they would of stuck out way to much, but they dont, they look great!

Cybinary
08-18-2005, 07:02 PM
Looks Great Larry...keep up the great work!

Milkdud
08-18-2005, 08:26 PM
Wow! This park is looking fabulous! I love the bridges!

larry241
08-18-2005, 11:21 PM
I've done some more construction. I've completed the back side of the island. I just have some side buildings left there.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7851/moreisland41tq.jpg

I added some balconies.
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/880/moreisland31zg.jpg

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7030/moreisland19va.jpg

I've started laying out the boat dock.
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8621/moreisland20fl.jpg

Enjoy!
I'm going to bed.

-MoNtU
08-18-2005, 11:27 PM
B-E-A-U-Tiful!

shapiro
08-19-2005, 03:04 AM
I looked at These's soooooo GORGEOUS!!!!!!!


But, How I can building these bridge? Pls give me direction???


Alec

bluesnake
08-19-2005, 03:38 AM
Those bridges fit in perfectly! :up:

Your park is outstanding. Already one of my favourites. :D

Odyssey Bay sounds nice but here is another suggestion:

"Adventure of the Seven Seas" I think, this sounds more global and fits better what you plan to build. ( I hope this is correct English)

Saskro
08-19-2005, 07:18 AM
Wow, that must be one of the greatest entrance areas that I`ve seen built around here. I love the style you developed with that buildings, bridges and fountains... Feels like the perfect start on your visit to a dream world!
By the way: That night shots are brilliant! :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Tidus243
08-19-2005, 08:50 AM
All looks perfect! I love that first pic!

larry241
08-19-2005, 10:18 AM
Thanks Tmul, Saskro, Tidus243.
All I can say shapiro is trial and error. I just learned to move the pieces up and down to make them fit where I wanted. I looked for gaps I didn't like and tried to work them out. I experimented with floor and roof slabs. I knew that some pieces angled with the land, so I experimented there and when through all the themes to make things how I wanted. Some walls are on top of the path and some are on the outside. Have your M Brookes cheat always on. As you can see from the many pics from others, there's other great ways to make bridges too!
Thanks bluesnake. I liked your name suggestion, which was something I was going for, but the number seven just didn't seem to work with only a small number of themed areas. But it does give me inspiration.
Thanks again to all for checking things out!

Cybinary
08-19-2005, 12:43 PM
Very Nice Larry, Really like how those balconys came out. Is that a piece of the hanger kit on that last pic to the left of the red building? Like how that came out!

larry241
08-19-2005, 01:07 PM
I used pieces of stuk's hanger kit on most of the buildings. The roofs make great awnings. I used the supports on just about all of the stucco buildings (the red,pink,yellow) and varied use of different ones.
Thanks for noticing!

JCat
08-19-2005, 01:12 PM
Wowza Larry - that's coming along magnificant!!!

disneyland255
08-19-2005, 01:32 PM
That is all I can say! BEAUTIFUL! WOW!

larry241
08-20-2005, 11:37 AM
Hi.
The island is pretty much done. Can't add water rides until I'm done so that I can manipulate water/land. I still have some scenery left too, but not much.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5484/islanddone41qn.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8746/islanddone30uc.jpg

Here's a nice night time shot of the queue for the tour boat station.
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5305/islanddone27pb.jpg

Milkdud
08-20-2005, 12:03 PM
The island looks GREAT! Very good job Larry! The buildings are very unique. :up:

Cybinary
08-20-2005, 01:56 PM
Cool, the que lines look great and I really like that little rock mountain in the middle of the path =)

larry241
08-20-2005, 02:19 PM
That's my fountain tribute to the Sirens.
Is that bad luck? (Know your epic poems?)

DarkMeasures
08-20-2005, 02:24 PM
Truely beautiful..... so much that I stole your idea for my park.... (sorry but I am also a fan of Disneysea's architecture). But the good news and that my version is nowhere near as beautiful as yours.

larry241
08-20-2005, 02:33 PM
I'd love to see some pics though!
PM me.

shyguy
08-20-2005, 03:39 PM
That last nite shot looks awesome!

-MoNtU
08-20-2005, 03:42 PM
Beautiful! I love the Venice Feel!

Small Print
08-20-2005, 03:50 PM
Nice, reminds me of tomb raider 2.

larry241
08-20-2005, 05:18 PM
Thanks guys. Work is going slow, but I've started the pirate area.
Look for pics maybe Sunday or late Sat. night.

KiDFoX
08-20-2005, 10:50 PM
Coming along nicely.

This is the first time I have been able to really look since Wednesday.

moo2172
08-20-2005, 10:57 PM
That looks great! I am a sucker for great reflections and you have doen a masterfull job.

larry241
08-21-2005, 02:56 AM
Hey Wabigbear!
Here's your campanille (tower)! It's called Campanille Orso Grande.
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7106/campanille30uo.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4077/campanille18vj.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4004/campanille22ra.jpg

Please enjoy!
And if this is still on page one in the morning, I might even post the first pic of my pirate/Carribean area.
Good night!

wabigbear
08-21-2005, 09:33 AM
The campanille is perfect! I love the name as well :D

That gives a nice vertical element I think...almost like an exclamation point to this work. This is really shaping up into something spectacular...hope this remains on the front page...I want to see what you have planned for the pirates!

Tidus243
08-21-2005, 11:15 AM
Great! I love it!:D :up:

Cybinary
08-21-2005, 11:16 AM
Again, all very beautiful work...you truly are an artist!

larry241
08-21-2005, 11:29 AM
Well, gosh, thanks guys!
I'm off to Wal-Mart to go grocery shopping.
BUT, before I do, here's those shots of the start of the pirate/Carribean area. I'm trying to do a smooth transition look, with just a hint of the pirate fortress in the background.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7813/carribean16ep.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3307/carribean27qe.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6140/carribean31kk.jpg

Talk to you later.
I don't think I'll be working on this at all today. So expect some new pics early next week.

bluesnake
08-21-2005, 11:35 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: This is so real! Its incredible! :eek: :eek: :eek:

larry241
08-21-2005, 07:50 PM
Thanks bluesnake! The trick will be getting rides in here. I haven't quite figured where I want things.

-MoNtU
08-22-2005, 12:05 AM
Very Very Nice!

bluesnake
08-22-2005, 03:10 AM
@larry241
Just a suggestion. I would not "disturb" the scenery with attractions all over the place. It is looking so fantastic. Maybe you could build some kind of fairground, an area reserved for attractions on a special island.

Cybinary
08-22-2005, 08:32 AM
Looking great larry,
I love how you mixed in the castle in the back, very nice transition!!! As for the rides, if you can't fit any flat rides in just stay with the shops that you've put in the buildings and leave that front area as a entrace/shopping plaza. :p

Can't wait to see what else you dream up!

Milkdud
08-22-2005, 11:49 AM
Very nice! I especially like that green building with the porch on the side. It looks very real to me. So does that big bridge in the center of the second screenshot. :up: Great job!

larry241
08-22-2005, 04:12 PM
Thanks again. Yeah, bluesnake, I agree with you. I'm definitely doing a rocking pirate ship. I really want to do a coaster, but not sure how to lay it out yet. I'm probably going to base it on Port Royal and Fort Charles in Jamaica, but again do a conglomeration of ideas.
There are plans for a boardwalk/midway section too!
See ya!

larry241
08-28-2005, 12:31 PM
I've hardly worked on this at all. Just a few hours last night.
I really need some more room, but it kept crashing on me.
Anyway, here's some more pics of the pirate area. The fortress is based on Fort Charles in Jamaica, of what was Port Royal, the most wicked and sinister pirate area. You're kind of limited in the scenery pieces, but I thought it would still do okay.
Thanks for looking!

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2824/jamaica34mn.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9490/jamaica11ji.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8126/jamaica22aw.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1894/om146kk.jpg

Your_Name_Here
08-28-2005, 01:05 PM
Holy crap! This is super-awesomeness to the extreme, larry! :up:

shyguy
08-28-2005, 01:31 PM
Very Beautiful!!

Also, I just wanted to let you know that I downloaded Roaring Canyons a while back and then forgot all about it. I "discovered" it yesterday and finally took a stroll through the park. All I can say is it was absolutely stunning! Supurb theming and landscaping!

Can't wait to download this one as well. Your parks are truly among the best in these forums!

larry241
08-28-2005, 11:23 PM
Thanks Y_N_H!
Glad you finally got to look at Roaring Canyons ShyGuy! Those comments mean a lot to me. You're quite the inspiration to me as well. I've really been trying to add a lot detail everywhere. You know, never leave a grid unused. Ha!
Well, I finally managed to enlarge the park. I got rid of the water and some other stuff, zoomed in close right at opening and then it worked. Of course I tried to insert a saved scenery and it crashed, but oh well, I got the park larger.
Now I'm having another mental block. Not sure how to "enclose" the part of the Fort so I don't have to build it all. Any ideas?
I also need to enclose that area of the park with structures or land. Not sure what I'm going to do.
I just might start another section of park. I don't know. I still won't get to anything until next weekend. I probably have another 60 hour work week again.
Talk to you all later!
Take care.

KiDFoX
08-29-2005, 12:01 AM
The fort is looking great. I would probably enclose it but that is the only idea I have right now. My brain is fried after my own RCT3 adventures this weekend. I know yhou have more to do on the pirate area I am curious to see how you complete it. There is pretty good theming for this but like most things there could be more.

Nice job so far I can totally appreciate what you are trying to do our home park has a main street that wraps into other themed areas like this although it is americana that wraps into bavarian... same concept though.

larry241
08-29-2005, 05:49 PM
Well, I am definitely going to enlcose the area as well as the Fort. I just wasn't sure how to enclose the Fort area without actually building the whole Fort.
Plus, how to get peeps to the next area without walking in front of the Fort. If I go behind/through it, how would I do that?
Those are the questions I'm trying to deal with.
Thanks for all the comments guys!
Later!

KiDFoX
08-29-2005, 06:13 PM
You could go under it.

larry241
09-02-2005, 08:13 AM
It feels like forever since I did anything with this park. I had a corrupt file in the game which prevented me from loading it, so I reinstalled everything and it's back to normal. I had the idea to raise the land up for a visual block and connect the pirate/caribbean area. To give you an idea of how it would possibly look, I took a pic. It won't be this, but close. I'm changing the land slightly back, adding more buildings, etc. Plus, I'm trying to figure out what types of rides/coasters to put in and where.
Well, thanks again for your input and thanks to those who helped me out.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2421/waterfall28hh.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1012/waterfall11oy.jpg

Cybinary
09-02-2005, 04:16 PM
That look really great larry, are you planning on continuing the mountain around the back and enclosing the fort with the mountain or build the rest of the fort into the mountain?

Glad to hear you got your puter problem fixed =)

Tidus243
09-02-2005, 04:51 PM
Looks very cool!

larry241
09-02-2005, 05:01 PM
Cyb,
Why do you keep beating me down with all these questions?
Why...why...why? I can't take the beatings.....make it stop....
Ha!;)
Well, not exactly sure. I wanted to do the buildings that are in the fort from the picture, then use the castle walls do to the inside face of the fort on the backwall, but the other side would have the roofs to buildings facing the other way. Maybe a tropical themed pirate area. Not sure how I would turn the corner along the bay though. I would like to have at least one steel coaster (Rackham's Revenge), one boat coaster, and some flat rides.
I'll post more this weekend. I'll probably get more time since it's my b-day Sunday.
Thanks for the comment too Tidus243!

disneyland255
09-02-2005, 05:08 PM
I really like this park. It has a great atmosphere. What would you think of putting a log ride, OR your boat coaster along the walls of the fort. So as people enter the fort they can see the boats float by or zoom by. Depending on the mood you want to set for the coaster. Just a thought. WHat you have now is really awesome!

larry241
09-02-2005, 05:15 PM
Sorry, I just don't think a log ride would be "appropriate". For the boat coaster, I was thinking more along the lines of having it go up inside the mountain and twist around, come out over the water fall then back in the mountain. I'd have the station inside the fort, but the end of the ride would pass along another waterfall on the other side, and through a cave back to the station.
Thanks so much for the ideas though! I'm always open to hear suggestions.

manue
09-03-2005, 03:26 AM
. I wanted to do the buildings that are in the fort from the picture, then use the castle walls do to the inside face of the fort on the backwall
Larry it's great you're answering my question before I ask it;) or Cybinary has been faster than me. Glad you fixed the problem, I was looking for your park yesterday, asking myself why no updates , good to see it on the air again. I really like this park.
and, btw, Happy Birthday Larry!!

Cybinary
09-03-2005, 09:26 AM
Yes, Happy B-Day Larry...thats pretty cool, My daughter's birthday is monday, the 5th. So is my sisters, and my mom's is on the 7th!

larry241
09-03-2005, 02:49 PM
Thank you so much! I hope everyone in your family Cyb has a wonderful birthday! We're going to Blue Mesa for brunch tomorrow. YUM!!!! I signed up on their website.
I'm going to work on the park today a little. Maybe I'll post some pics this evening or tomorrow.
Talk to you all later!

live_the_thrill
09-03-2005, 02:57 PM
Happy birthday Larry, hope you get what you wanted!

BTW that castle looks great, now it reminds me of "Disney", very creative:)

larry241
09-04-2005, 11:31 PM
Hi all,
Since I've been busy at work, I haven't really been into playing lately. I've tried working on the boat coaster all day today and I'm quite frustrated. I kind of like the layout, but I'm at my wit's end. I can't seem to get the land and tunnels to work the way I want.
Sooooo, I'd like to give the opportunity for one person to help me if they want. I give credit to the person, and may even seek to collaborate on other things. I've got some great ideas, but my patience is wearing thin. I DON'T want to start on another section until I can get this area worked out. I have ideas for at least two other areas, but need this area to be done first.
Thanks,
Larry

larry241
09-10-2005, 10:50 PM
Hi all,
Sorry for the LONG delay. I've been working on a shopping center at my job that's been eating ALL of my time. I did manage to get a few hours in this week so I can share some of it with you.
Since nobody offered to help out, I tried tackling the coaster layout again. It's not what I imagined, so I'm a little disappointed. I still can't get some of the tunnels, etc. to work out right. Ignore land color/shape, it's sooooo preliminary. Plus, I'm going to add some buildings to the right of the falls.
Here are some construction pics:
Again, if anyone wants to help with layout/scenery, I'll gladly email the file. I will be more than willing to share credit for the park. There are some great areas that can be themed.
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7303/buriedtreasure39eb.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/443/buriedtreasure20il.jpg


http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6237/buriedtreasure18kk.jpg

Let me know your thoughts.
PS - thanks for the birthday wish; unfortunately, I didn't really get jack. Oh, well.

Cybinary
09-10-2005, 11:07 PM
Looking Good Larry, I would offer to help but the only thing I know I could improve upon is your landscaping and tunnels. As far as theming and building construction your skill far exceeds mine. I do love getting my hands dirty with the dirt so let me know if you want me to take a crack at that area.

PS: No hard feelings if you want a vet with a few more parks under their belt :D

EDIT: Oh, nevermind...didn't notice you were only asking for help with themeing/coasters, not with landscaping. Oh Well, offer still stands =)

larry241
09-10-2005, 11:14 PM
Dude, I'll take anyone's help. Check your email.
I'm just looking for some help to fix the stupid tunnels and help figure out some scenery placement.
I HATE doing dark rides, and there's sooooo many guys here that do an AWESOME job. I've seen some great "pirates of the carribean" style rides.
Thanks for the offer!!!!

Cybinary
09-10-2005, 11:17 PM
Kewl, I'll play with it a bit and get back with you tomorrow...getting kinda late and gotta get the kids to bed!

Cybinary
09-11-2005, 10:52 AM
Check your email Larry, just sent you the park back.

KiDFoX
09-11-2005, 11:00 AM
I had to be out of town for a few days. Not sure what kind of trouble you were having with tunnels but I hope you get it worked out. I haven't had time to do anything in the game since last Sunday and if I don't get time today it will be at least another week before I do so I know how it goes.

n747
09-11-2005, 12:36 PM
wow, i cant believe this park escaped my sight for 6 pages!

the atmosphere is quite something. its warm, its old, its charming, its exciting. the buildings are wonderfully done and the pier to the bay...is fantastic - god i love how it cantilevers on the edge! thats a great idea.

man, just looking back in this thread - its so amazingly colorful and rich - just...well done man! well done! im definately going to take some cues from this park for my new one. because, especially those entry buildings, you have it spot on.

excellent work.

Saskro
09-11-2005, 03:53 PM
This park is still looking awesome larry! The new mountains with that waterfall are great, but I also got a little bit of constructive criticism. I doesn`t even have to do with the layout you built, but I wonder if you`re sure that you want to use that watercoaster... I think the constant splash it creates while being on the waterpart of the track is a bug and it´s really annoying. It looks stupid and you get soaked the whole time while you`re in coastercam - so you won`t even be able to concentrate on the surrounding scenery. If the ride was fixed I`d definitley love it, but at the moment I feel like this poorly implemented ride shouldn`t be built in an so far perfect looking park... I`d suggest a splashboat or jungle-cruise ride for the pirate area. But maybe I`m just a bit oversensitive when it comes to that watercoaster...

larry241
09-12-2005, 08:19 AM
Hi all.
The boat coaster steep drop hits land inside the tunnel and some curves don't work well inside. Plus, I'm not sure I like it. Thanks so much n747 for the comments. It's nice to hear, especially after some of my frustration. I do agree a little with you Saskro about the splashing, but it doesn't really bother me. I'm just not sure it's the ride I want. If I can get it work, I might move the pirate ship to the other side of the fort and bring a coaster out of the falls. Imagine Incredible Hulk style, just coming out of the waterfall. Rackham's Revenge (named after pirate Calico Jack Rackham). Well, after some frustration of things just not looking how I want, I moved on to work more on the fort. Here's a quick photo. Again, the buildings on the other side will back right up to the fort, so you won't see it from that side.
Thanks again for the comments! See ya!
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/4605/fort4yx.jpg

DarkMeasures
09-12-2005, 03:47 PM
I don't really like the boat coaster either. It just doesn't live up to the rest of the park. What you should do is just use the waterfall as a facade and build 99% of the ride in a building behind the waterfall. It would allow for easier theming and other stuff.

But considering how much of a ***** my boat coaster was to build, I would advise using the log flume instead.

disneyland255
09-12-2005, 04:03 PM
Check out my Atlantis ride. Look at the pics and if you like what I did I would be more than happy to help you out with this ride. I have gotten tunnels down pretty good and I love this ride. Just PM me if you want and I can give you my email address. GOOD LUCK!

P.S. I really love how the boat goes along at the bottom of the water fall. Also, I do not have any custom scenery, So if you do allow me to work on your park, The custom scenery will not show up on my computer.

hillibilly
09-12-2005, 04:25 PM
Larry I love your parks! I have been looking at this from the start but never am able to post(early moring late night laziness)but it is amazing.You make it look like a place that could accuatly be made in real life and people like it. I like you choice on the bridge as well. As far as the tunnel I had a similar promblem with a old coaster of mine(there is a video on the first or second page called Christmas in July) where when it went through the mountian all of a sudden it was outside then inside the mountian real quick! No matter how much I tried to get rid of it it wouldn't change. I am not to wild about the coaster ride either. I think a coaster would suit the park better. I also like your Incedible Hulk idea maybe have it launch out of a tunnel in the middle of the waterfall then cobra roll the come back in and continue in the back. Just my idea. But its your park so I am sure you will do it better!

larry241
09-12-2005, 06:17 PM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the input. I think I will do that launched twister. I'll add some other rides inside the buildings/hills. I'll save the boat coaster for the ancient seas area. Thanks for the offer to help disneyland255. I really liked your Atlantis coaster. I may do something similar. You know, the actual coaster type is Journey to Atlantis at Sea World Orlando. Never been, but it looks cool. I always go to DW when I down there. I'm going to finish the pirate/carribean area and round the corner to the Ancient Seven Seas, which will include Roman, Greek, Atlantean, and Islamic architecture/rides. The central area will be Sea Base Pacifica. Think...Disney Jueles Verne, i.e., Port Adventure from DisneySea and Discoveryland from Disneyland Paris.
Of course, it may be a while, this project at work is kicking my butt.
Thanks again!!!

DarkMeasures
09-12-2005, 08:12 PM
I just hope your computer will be able to handle your park.

larry241
09-12-2005, 08:35 PM
Ha!!!
Me too!!!
Well, it did Roaring Canyons okay.
I've got an Athlon 2.2, 512MB ram, 128mb vid. I run it on a low-end Balanced configuration.

Cybinary
09-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Larry, sounds good...

Good luck with that project! =)

Whatever you build I know my machine can handle it,
Athlon 64 fx-53 2.4 Ghz, 1gig RAM, Raddon 9800 Pro 256Mb, XP Pro

DarkMeasures
09-13-2005, 04:09 PM
ATI Athlon 64 3400+, ATI 200X, 1024 MB of shared ram.

I need more ram and a new graphics card. It kinda stinks that my computer doesn't have any AGP slots but only PCI-express.

Noobie
09-14-2005, 07:56 AM
:eek: oh my god! 5 stars for you. thats not RCT3 anymore... thats art!

AceHawkX
09-14-2005, 08:05 AM
Looks great!

It would probably look a little better without the coaster, but whats a park without coasters?

larry241
09-14-2005, 12:37 PM
Hi again,
Just wanted to get your impressions. Here is Rackham's Revenge started. Don't mind colors or landscaping/terraforming. I haven't thought about supports yet either. I'm just trying to get an overall vibe from you. What about direction of the inversions? If I turn it so it goes straight out from the launch, it goes waaaay out into the water.
Thanks again for the great comments. I agree with you AceHawkX.
http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/7524/jack11hh.jpg

http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/9610/jack25yp.jpg

KiDFoX
09-14-2005, 12:45 PM
Looks interesting, how does it ride? Not sure if the direction of the inversions is a problem or not just from looking I don't see why it would be.

disneyland255
09-14-2005, 12:51 PM
The inversions over the lake are beautiful. The colors are actually very cool. They add a little color to the area. It would be cool if you could do a see through tunnel on the part of the track that comes out of the waterfall. Just a thought: It would be cool to have the coaster come out of the bottom of the waterfall and go under the path that the peeps walk on. This park is very good. I am sad to see the water coaster (boat coaster) go though. I saw a lot of potential with that one.

jmainaz
09-14-2005, 03:59 PM
Hey Larry241: Looking good so far. What do you plan on doing with the neat fort you constructed? I like your new coaster but I miss the swinging boat ride. I liked it docked on the edge. Also, you buildings look really good from the pics you provided. How are they on the "street" level?

-JMAinAZ

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-MoNtU
09-14-2005, 04:28 PM
Personally I think it looks way too overpowering. Maybe after the launch and the first inversion you could sned it back into the mountains? It's just to "there". IMO i kind of liked the boat caoster better, but then again it's your park.

larry241
09-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Wow. Thanks for all the feedback!
KF and Tmul - I really like the 90 degree relationship of the launch hill to the cobra, but I understand how you say it looks "overpowering". I'll try tweaking the location of the coaster and of course the Pumper supports go a long way. By having a launch hill, I can reduce the height a little vs. a chain lift. Plus, it's more exciting to launch into a barrel roll and dive down.
disneyland255 - the tunnel coming out is a great idea. I'm gonna see if I can stop the water right there some home, but not have a tunnel protrude out. I think it would look like some kind of pimple in the waterfall. :D I was really trying to have some part of the ride go under a path; I'm just not sure how (or if now) I'll do it. I TOTALLY understand what you mean by potential for the boat coaster. It may not be toally gone. I might do a ride in the next theme section.
jmainaz - The fort will occupy a penninsula of land separating the seaside pirate area and the city side transition area (which is what you see now). Inside the fort will be some buildings with shops and the entry for Rackham's Revenge. The seaside area will have some flat rides (including the relocated pirate ship), buildings, etc. with more of the tropical feel. The mountains will transform into the hills/mountains of an ancient Rome/Greece styled area. Oh yeah, I think the buildings look incredible at street level. I may have to show some more pics later.
That's all for now. Thanks again!

mini_shima
09-14-2005, 05:44 PM
Thats it! I hate you! :( this park is unbeliveable your 50 times better than me when i finally reach my peak:cry:

larry241
09-15-2005, 08:05 AM
Aw, come on mini_shima, I have faith you can be just as good or even better. You learn well grasshopper.
Anyway, in the measly 30 minutes I got on the computer last night, I managed to work out some sort of layout for the beginning of the coaster. I tested some of the Pumper supports and found a few number of pieces I wish I had, but it still worked okay. This layout is much smoother and I think I'll have the track rise up and do a barrel roll over the fort before heading back.
Oh, don't worry about the fort, it's saved as a structure. I'll put it back later. Ignore the land, I'll fix that later, too. And the pic looks like the loop is interlocked with the first inversions - it's not, just an illusion.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3161/jacknew0fd.jpg

Cybinary
09-15-2005, 09:16 AM
I aggree with jmainz, I miss the swinging boat and dock you had set up next to the walkway. Will these be coming back under the coaster?

Looks like fun! :D

larry241
09-15-2005, 09:24 AM
"The seaside area will have some flat rides (including the relocated pirate ship),"
Look for it on the other side of the fort.

joffy
09-15-2005, 10:22 AM
Coaster looks good Larry, but maybe you should wait for Wild! and it's new inversions, then you can make it more realistic and varied.

larry241
09-15-2005, 10:28 AM
I had no idea they were going to have new inversions. Hmm. I think I'll still lay it out. That way, I can move on; which I desperately want to do. I can always come back.
BTW, when is the release date? I might have to way until xmas to get it as a gift. That's going to be hard to resist.
Thanks!

Milkdud
09-15-2005, 12:44 PM
Wild! comes out some time in November. Dunno the exact date.

Anyways, the park is looking FANtastic!

computertech82
09-15-2005, 12:58 PM
I like the buildings of the park. As for the coaster, I would try to "blend" some of it into the mountain side (not necessarily bury it). Similar to some of the rides in my park Forgotten Falls (thanks for the name bud). I also like the walkway across the water. Very cute.

larry241
09-16-2005, 09:48 AM
That's what I was thinking computertech82. I like the idea of coming out of a waterfall. The station will be inside, since it just lays out better. I haven't worked on the rest of the track yet. I think I have the fort where I want now, so I'll be adding some more buildings next, both inside the fort and along the path
I actually got an hour in last night and played a little with the pumper supports. They're great, but somehow I can never get it to fit right with the "non-typical" locations. I'm still playing with it, so not all the supports here are definites. What do you think of it?
EDIT: OH YEAH! I about slapped my head "duh" with this. You don't need an invisible support or bushes or rocks everywhere to remove auto supports. Use the chess square in the scenery objects and lower it below the ground. It works great and you can still build on top of it!!!!
Thanks again!
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5880/jackwithsupports9vx.jpg

KiDFoX
09-16-2005, 10:17 AM
It looks random....



Just kidding.



Actually it looks really cluttered it's a mass of supports and where did that waterfall go? I know there was one there someplace...

I know you will turn the falls back on but that is just a lot going on in front of such a major piece of scenery.

Why must we clutter up our parks with rides anyhow? All the rides do is detract from all the fine architecture!

BoRJoYZeE
09-16-2005, 11:23 AM
oh wow larry, that is looking great!

Saskro
09-16-2005, 11:50 AM
Honestly, that coaster is somehow destroying the whole atmosphere you set up there. I takes away from that open seaside feeling because it`s so high and covers up so much of the water. Don`t get me wrong - I`m not criticizing your layout, just saying that everything looked so nice before, that any coaster-track might feel disturbing here.
Did you ever think about putting the coaster inside the fort? I could imagine that it would fit much better and the ride had its own enclosed area... just a suggestion.

larry241
09-16-2005, 12:11 PM
I appreciate the honest opinions.
KiDFoX It looks random....
It is. I was just messing with the new supports. First time. They're really cool. I agree that it looks cluttered as well. Like I said, not all those supports will be there. Probably 1/3 will be gone. Of course the waterfall will back, duh.:p
I never intended this park to be just architecture. I want the feel of a IOA, DisneySea, Terra Mitica. Excellent rides, but with superb architecture. I'm tired of the Six Flag-throw 2x4's-and some metal - type of "no thought" buildings and scenery.
I'm not putting a ride inside the fort. It's way to small and there's no room. No, I'm not changing it. It will house a couple of buildings and the ride entry building for this coaster. This isn't even half of what I intend for section - wait till you see the rest. ;) :D
Thanks again for the input. I do appreciate it and it does make me look at things from all perspectives.
Later!

KiDFoX
09-16-2005, 02:41 PM
You know the random thing was a joke right? The supprots do look cluttered but I don't know you can randomly place anything in the game so I like to make fun of that comment.


I think Saskro has a good point and what we are all noticing is that it just sticks out like a sore thumb. I know you said these werent the final colors but maybe it would help people see things differntly if you found some that work better?

Right now all I see is big red lots of stuff and everything else you have done is so superp that this doesn't seem to fit the way it is now.

I don't totally disagree with it being there just think it overpowers everything ATM.

bluesnake
09-16-2005, 05:53 PM
I thought about your coaster for a while now. In my opinion, thats a good place for the coaster. But here some ideas, how to fit it better to the buildings:

1. use the supports sparingly

2. use more buildings as "supports". Maybe you can extend the fort with some towers and walls to support the coaster.

3. give it more space. don't let it look like being cramped into a corner.

4. cover it up a little more. let the exciting parts (looping, inversion a.s.o) be visible.

5. use colors that fit to the buildings.

6. If you don't want to use more buildings in this area, use some terrain or forest, to cover some of the coaster.

These are just some thoughts I had. Your park is still outstanding and I am sure, you already considered some of what I suggest. I know, that the coaster is still in the building process and its not finished. It sure will be great! ;) :D
As an inspiration here is a pic of one of my coasters.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4558/festung4kl3tr.jpg

Cybinary
09-16-2005, 06:59 PM
Well, looks like a fun coaster and will be instresting to see how you theme it into the section.

I was thinking, what about putting some of it underground and you built a few dock buildings to hide the underground parts. That might help it to not stand out so much.

Well, whatever you got planed I'm sure will look awsome! :D

Milkdud
09-16-2005, 08:43 PM
The coaster looks quite realitic in a way. Reminds me of the Hulk at IoA (the big inversions over the water). However, it doesn't really seem like it fits in this section of the park. It just doesnt go, in my eyes.
GL though with whatever you choose to do.

DarkMeasures
09-17-2005, 01:33 AM
Your coaster does not have the flow of say the Hulk. I wouldn't have the verticle twist on that coaster. I would have it traveling strait from the lift hill. It would be much more eye pleasing that way. And then you would use preferibly a cobra roll or any other turn around inversion afterwards before doing whatever.

I base this on a rule I made in RCT1. Cobra rolls should really be only built on the far ends of the rollercoaster.

And like I said before, you should keep 70%+ of the ride behind that mountain and waterfall. A massivly themed park like yours deserves hidden coasters.

Teal and red may not be the best choice either. To get a good idea of color selection, read "designing Disney" by John Hench. There is an entire chapter written on what colors are supposed to be used where. (black is almost forbidden but red is basically added to every single color in the park, of course you can't go as complex as Disney goes with their color selection.)

n747
09-18-2005, 01:37 AM
I'll have to agree with most of the comments here. The coaster as is, doesnt quite fit. It very well could - but i think as it stands right now, the coaster looks like an afterthought - instead of a centerpiece. When you introduce a large coaster like that, develop around the tracks - and be sure that its "area" isnt small and cluttered next to (gorgeous) buildings.

i think a coaster could work there - but not one of that size. because it is set up in a nice little pavillion.

hey - idea - you have a great thing starting - but what if you scrapped the twister and go with an inverted? put the main bulk of the ride elsewhere away from the pier - put the coaster's main overbank on that plaza, and have the coaster return to do an intense helix over the water, before it zooms back out of sight into the brake run. it would clear the waterfront, still have the excitement of the coaster track, and keep those two elements seperate..yet connected.

which would then allow you to bring back some of those great elements you had before.


after all - for a twister, to give it justice, you need some space to sprawl!

it looks excellent so far though, youre doing an awesome job.

lewis31lewis52
09-18-2005, 10:27 AM
I'm not so big on the coaster there. I mean, it's a good coaster design, but the way it's set up, it just doesn't fit in with the surrounding area. It's too tall.

larry241
09-27-2005, 10:12 AM
Well, hi everybody. I can't believe it's almost 2 weeks. Finally, the 60 hour work weeks have subsided so I spent about an hour or so the last few days working on the park. Let me just say thanks for all of the comments and suggestions. I've been playing with the coaster and landscaping/scenery quite a bit and I really like it now. As for the height and layout, it really helps to see the landscaping with trees and more buildings. Although you can't tell from this particular pic, personally, I don't think it's overpowering. I've also included two shots of the Incredible Hulk coaster below. As you can see, it does do an inversion at the top and dives down. It's not vertical, but it is steep. I think what I've got is pretty similar. Plus, check out all the supports on Hulk. OMG, there's tons. I took a BUNCH out of mine so it's not too crowded though. When you look at the pic, you'll see there's more buildings, tons more trees, a look out spot over the first drop with a tunnel and mist, the fort is raised and I've started the buildings inside, and the coaster continues along the wall of the fort and does a corkscrew over the wall to the inside. Also, these are the colors I'm going with. The muted red is the same red from the beginning of the park and continues the color theme into the park. The grey color for the support blends into the landscape and brings out the track. The red and grey also lends itself for a visual allusion to pirates (usually reds, blacks, greys, etc.) As for John Hench and knowing about color - yes, I've read the book. I've also had classes in color theory, painting, architectural/interior design, many classes on architectural history and over 11 years of professional experience in architecture and design. I know how colors work to bring out moods and emotions, as well as visual "references". Well, I look forward to continuing this stuff. I'll be finishing this part here and working on the main area of the pirates theming next. Keep in mind, I'm not even done with 1/10th of the park, but I did start laying out where the lands will go.
See you later!

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9397/09270532do.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8691/09270510av.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9265/09270525lk.jpg

robo268
09-27-2005, 12:16 PM
the coaster is looking good i love your park so far.

Cybinary
09-27-2005, 03:27 PM
AWSOME, your work continues to dazzle Larry...keep it up!

disneyland255
09-27-2005, 07:20 PM
I do like the coaster you have built but it has taken away from the beautiful work you did on the fort and the bridge and the waterfall. It also left the area more open. I like both ways but I really liked it before the coaster was in there. Keep up the great work! I love this park!

bluesnake
09-28-2005, 03:15 PM
I am sure, this is going to look great! You handle the scenery objects perfectly. I will wait with judging until this area is finished. The impression with scenery is to different than just the bare coaster. :up: :D

larry241
09-28-2005, 03:28 PM
Thanks again for the commets.
Believe me, I'm not taking anyone's comments for granted. I really am looking at different things and have tried doing several different layouts that I'm not posting. I really do like what I have, but can see things from all of your pespectives. I may still mess around with colors, supports, and layout a little, but I think I'll keep it. Don't worry, the other side of the fort will be like what this area was before. I'm just liking the idea of going from a entry that's tall and confined feeling, where you can't see things around the park, to suddenly come under the bridge and wham!, see this incredible coaster rocket out of a waterfall and dive down into the water and back around and down into a cave...
It's just the wow factor I think peeps would find cool. This is first and foremost a ride park, not just a beauty park. I'll post some more pics once I get the buildings on this side of the fort done and start on the other side. It will give you a better perspective.
I'll see what I can get done tonight before my wife gets back tomorrow from Louisville.
Later!!!

hillibilly
11-14-2005, 09:58 PM
I am just a few days past the 30 day mark lol!

Where did you go larry? I was really loving this park and all of a sudden it was gone. Do you have any news on it?

larry241
11-14-2005, 10:24 PM
Thanks so much for asking!
It's still being worked on. I've redone the twister coaster with the new Wild extended coaster. Now the inversion launch looks like the Hulk track. Soooo coool.
I'm still working on the buildings and scenery in the area too. I still have a bunch of stuff to do on the other side of the fort; but I'm not showing that yet.
I'm also working on the park "wienie", as Disney would say, SeaBase Pacifica.
I'll show construction pics when I can.
Talk to you guys later!!!!!
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/5913/newbuilding8um.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1848/pirateisle9nu.jpg

KiDFoX
11-14-2005, 10:26 PM
See I was just about to say Larry is still here somewhere...

hillibilly
11-14-2005, 10:50 PM
Great to hear and great to see! Yeah the exteneded coaster adds so much more to track loayout nows. Looks Great!

disneyland255
11-15-2005, 01:07 AM
The new coaster looks great. You left the area by the big waterfall open. I really like what you have done!!

Cybinary
11-15-2005, 08:22 AM
Looking great as usual larry, That coaster really blends in well with your sceneriy =)

larry241
11-15-2005, 09:32 AM
Thanks all. It's been quite a while, but I've got the itch again. Work has kicked my butt over the last couple months, but I'm in a lull right now, so we'll see how long this building spree will last.
Here's those construction shots of SeaBase Pacifica. It's only now taking shape, so remember, nothing here is permanent. Note the giant aquarium enclosure. In between the aquarium and the fountain will be a tower element, with shops. I'm thinking of doing a restaurant at a level near the base of the island that sits partially over the water and gives a view over the water for patrons. The aquarium ride will sit on and around the edges of the island and the tour boats will dock near the front, close to the restaurant. Enjoy!

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5201/seabase5.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9351/seabase4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/252/seabase3.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2508/seabase2.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/723/seabase1.jpg

-MoNtU
11-15-2005, 04:04 PM
Nice, I love the new coasters layout and I see that cv inspired you. Glad to have you back! :)

W1ckeD
11-15-2005, 04:09 PM
Yeah nice work! :up:

I love this shot: http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1848/pirateisle9nu.jpg

Can't wait for more :D

LightWarriorK
11-15-2005, 04:45 PM
You know, I saw this park when it first started, and then it slipped from my mind to keep up with it.:rolleyes:

It's a very beautiful park, with the precision and style that architects bring. It's easy to see European influences and Colonial Era touches in the construction. Familiar design is something my buildings always lack.

Very Impressive.:):up:

larry241
11-19-2005, 07:56 PM
Well, hi again. I'm working on the main building of SeaBase Pacifica now and have probably have about 1/4 of it...sort of done; at least in the direction I'm going. You can start to see where the restaurant on the lower level will sit. There will be more paths and walls around the structures, but you can at least see what I'm going for. Doing this modern stuff, as I'm sure KidFox can attest to, really makes you wish for other shapes and pieces to use, but I'm sure I'll make due - I have no patience or time to make my own.
Hope you like!!!!!
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6822/seabasecentera50ii.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7422/seabasecentera44ks.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8876/seabasecentera32lv.jpg

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Noobie
11-20-2005, 05:33 AM
doens't it lag? it would be 0.0000001 fps on my computer... that's verry nice!

Dattu
11-20-2005, 02:33 PM
It.... looks.... so..... BEAUTIFUL!

larry241
11-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Thanks Noobie and Dattu! Wait till you see what I post in the morning.
As for lag, I guess that depends on what you call lag. It's not too bad yet on my computer (2.2athlon w/ 512mgs ram, 128mb vid), but I still have hardly anthing on the whole map. It does seem to lag a little while constructing, but I also only have about 70 peeps in the park. Whenever it gets a little too much, I just set the draw distance or textures down a notch or two. They're set about 3/4 the way right now.
Thanks for the comments!!!

EDIT:
Okay, here's more construction photos. Like I said - things can change. I'll be adding the boat dock and aquarium ride on the bottom level and terraforming some land around them. You can see the IMAX Theater inside the central building. I'm thinking of doing a submarine ride as well. We'll see. There's still a bunch of details and other stuff I'm messing with, along with different structures and shapes of roofs over paths, awnings, etc.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5799/imax88dd.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3876/imax72pj.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6384/imax69mo.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3505/imax14cj.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5476/imax22yp.jpg

LightWarriorK
11-21-2005, 02:48 PM
Great use of landforms and the Hangar 51 set here!:up:

The glass buildings attached to a block building which is a bit offset reminds me of something I can't remember, but I like that a LOT.:D

-MoNtU
11-21-2005, 02:51 PM
Looks Very Futuristic! I love the 3d cinema in the glass, it's so cool!

larry241
11-21-2005, 02:53 PM
Thanks LWK. You may not have seen his work, but I love the work of architect Richard Meier. There's still a lot I'm messing with, as far as design goes. I like the structures, but I'm having some troubles making things go how I want them. We'll see what I come up with this week.
Thanks!
edit - oh yeah, check out the South Carolina Aquarium

LightWarriorK
11-21-2005, 02:58 PM
YES, I have! Only in magazines, but I'm familiar enough with it. He did the building in your avatar right?

I can't tell if your avatar is the building I'm thinking of or not, but there was a similar looking concert hall made of brick, steel, and glass. I don't remember where it was... somewhere in the Midwest, methinks.

Well, done.:):up:

larry241
11-21-2005, 03:03 PM
My avatar is Frank Ghery's Disney Concert Hall in L.A.
Meier did the Atlanta High Museum. http://www.richardmeier.com/

LightWarriorK
11-21-2005, 03:19 PM
Ahhh, ok. I wish I had taken some architecture classes, so I could tell them all apart. Ghery is another I've heard of but can't identify on sight.:)

It's stuff I'd love to learn... I'll check out those sites. They'll be helpful once I start moving away from recreations and into my own ideas. Thanks.:D

larry241
11-21-2005, 06:03 PM
Frank Ghery also did the Guggenheim in Bilbao, Spain. It's in a ton of car commercials. His work is actually easy to recognize once you have seen pictures. Try this: www.Greatbuildings.com
Here's a couple more I forgot to post:

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5325/imax45rn.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1391/imax36gx.jpg

KiDFoX
11-22-2005, 01:25 AM
Well it makes sense to me now so you are in real trouble...

I was reserving any comment on this section of the park until it was further along since it seemed to me the first shots of this area were incomplete and I don't know how useful it is to comment on an incomplete building...


The darndest thing just happened though, I was about to say it reminds me of the addition to the Des Moines Art Center and I then see you discussing Richard Meier...

http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/iowa/desmoines/artcenter/artcenter.html

Very interesting and creative. I have a real bias against the block walls. To me they look more like weathered cedar shingles and are best suited for a beach.

What do you think of a lighter color?

larry241
11-23-2005, 02:26 PM
First LightWarriorK, now you. I figured you'd be coming out of the woodwork soon enough. ;)
What I've got now is about 1/2 of the complex. I'm still fooling around with layering and walls. I might try to use your single panel corner at the full and 1/2 block intervals to create joints, but there are no horizontal peices at 1/2 blocks. That makes vertical rectangles, and I'm not inclined to do that. I'm still thinking of doing it on the glass though. I could replace the 2/3 height glass with full height and break them in 4 squares. It's also hard to do the layering of walls that Meier so beautifully does. Oh well.
Oh yeah, thanks for the comments. Some of my favorites are the Westchester House (well, all of his houses - I've actually been the the Rachofsky House while under construction - tolerances to the 1/8", yes, 1/8" - using lasers) and the Assembly and Exhibition Center in Ulm, the Barcelona Museum, and Jubilee Church. Michael Graves is also a huge influence on me. I LOVE his work.
Funny you mention the block walls. I don't like them - never have. The "blocks" are too long to be real blocks and the coloring is terrible. I liked the blocks in the office building set, but there's no variety of size or type. Soooooo, that brings me to a few choices. 1 - Change the color like you say, maybe white? I'm not using a true color; it really makes the blocks look bad. 2- Use a block from MaxInfinity castle set. They look great, but the windows aren't right. 3- Use the "stucco" colored wall set. Of course there's another option - just keep it. Personally, being a Michael Graves fan, I like option 3, and use the subdued red color (as well as the light tan). I also like the teal structures and red walls together. I'll have to try it and see what it looks like.
Last night I added the aquarium to the base of the island in front of the large square tank. The entry is at the front/side of the long glass atrium where you see the path end. The tanks and paths meander up and down the side of a hill. I still have to add vegitation, the entry "cover", and some other stuff, but I really like it. Next I'll be working on the docking station for the boat and then maybe a sub ride.
Talk to you later and thanks again!

Edit - added 11/23/05 I couldn't wait for another reply, so here's some construction pics of the aquarium. I'll still do a little terraforming and add some vegetation and an entry structure.
Thanks!!!
http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/3498/aquarium31pn.jpg

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/3568/aquarium28wq.jpg

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/9029/aquarium19fk.jpg

shyguy
11-24-2005, 03:38 AM
Hey Larry! This all looks spectacular, as always. I was watching this thread in the beginning, but with custom scenery building, I kind of lost track of it. You inspire me to want to get back into building parks. This custom scenery designing really is time consuming, and I'm itching to get back to park designing.

Anyway. Great job and I can't wait to see how the new area turns out. I'm sure it will go through a dozen changes til you get it JUST right! ;)

larry241
11-24-2005, 05:13 PM
Here's an update. Mostly just looks.
Okay KidFox, I looked at tons of different walls, and nothing really jumped at me. Soooo, I tried changing the color of the Ely walls from the office set, and Whala! I think this works okay. Then I subdivided the windows around the IMAX into squares. Sooo much better. I also added the entry cover to the aquarium and updated some other walls, and added a ramp down to the restaurant.
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/7273/aquariumnewwalls13au.jpg

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/394/aquariumnewwalls24dl.jpg

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/9388/aquariumnewwalls32do.jpg

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/4674/aquariumnewwalls42uk.jpg

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/1514/aquariumnewwalls56ci.jpg

larry241
11-27-2005, 12:00 PM
Here's a new update. Here's an overall shot from the entry and pirate area.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4520/112705seabase56yx.jpg

This is a shot from rear. I've added an elevator from the bottom to the top. I'm going to add a wide ramp up the back of the island as well that will connect to a bride and the rest of the park. I'll also add a dolphin and whale show...somewhere.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/5010/112705seabase47nw.jpg

I've finished the aquarium side of the island. I revised the entry to the aquarium ride (Predator Cove) and it looks so much better. I also added structural supports around the large square tank and revised the green "waves" in front of the IMAX. I'm really thinking of changing the restaurant to some sort of structure that overhangs the water, instead of the square building I've got. Any thoughts?
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7652/112705seabase31zs.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2875/112705seabase13ui.jpg

Thought you'd enjoy a night shot.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7959/112705seabase22dk.jpg
Thanks for comments so far. Any input would be appreciated. I'll post more this week if I have any.
See ya!

-MoNtU
11-27-2005, 12:12 PM
Looking good Larry! I love how the rocks on the aquarium blend in so well with the rocks in the land. It looks awesome!

KiDFoX
11-27-2005, 12:15 PM
The lighter colors are much better. Great way to incorporate several things into a park that look out of place usually on their own.

infiniteblue
11-27-2005, 12:54 PM
Nice park!

larry241
11-27-2005, 08:34 PM
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving break. It was waaay too short for me. Thank KidFox, soakedmaster, and Montu (by the way, love the falling avatar!) for the comments! I think the aquarium turned out better than I expected. The trees, bushes, etc. and final touches really helped. I went back to the rear and started "rounding" out the island. Here's the dolphin show. I'll be reworking the restaurant later. This is probably the last update for at least a few days - so please keep those comments coming!

I think I might use this rear path as a starting point for the submarine ride. I'll have to come up with some type of enclosure. The trees and flowers back here really add some good color; although it kind of looks like a blob from far away. I think I'll stick the orca show behind the large square tank and the elevator encloure
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/2664/dolphinshow27sw.jpg


I'll probably soften up the corners of the dolphin enclosure with some rocks at the water's edge and add some vegetation. The path coming out of the side is where the bridge will connect back to the rest of the park. The unfinished area on the opposite side of the dolphin show on the front of the island is where the tour boat landing will be.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7118/dolphinshow12wq.jpg

LightWarriorK
11-28-2005, 10:43 AM
I LOVE this park! Those new office walls look fantastic, and I don't think the Dolphin Show could have been placed any better.

And, while I love the idea of a bridge spanning all the way to the park, will the touring boat also serve as a transport ride as an alternative to using the bridge? When I see this park, I'm instantly reminded of Isle Delfino from Super Mario Sunshine, and of the ferry boat that would wander out from the city to the tiny isles around it. Good stuff.:D:up:

Cybinary
11-28-2005, 02:39 PM
This just goes to show you what a little patience, planning and A LOT of skill can acomplish!!

Outstanding work Larry, truly insperational. Dont rush, keep up the outstanding work :)

-MoNtU
11-28-2005, 03:12 PM
Love the dolphin Show! The only thing that's missing is an E-ticket attraction. (Like a water ride)

larry241
11-28-2005, 03:55 PM
Thanks for the comments LWK, Cybinary, and Montu! I wish there were more variety in the office Ely walls; like doors or some form of detailing. I like the lighter colors as well and I hope I can add some other colors to the area. Maybe some yellow or orange might be nice to contrast the teal color. I like the placement of the show as well. The dolphin and orca shows will make it feel more like the area name of SeaBase Pacifica. The boat will serve as an alternate route to the island. I decided to connect the land with pathways because there will be better circulation of peeps if I include it. Hmmm, Super Mario Sunshine - guess I missed that. Well, I'm glad it has good memories then. Planning - what's that? ;) At least I can design some sort of buildings this year; the projects I work on in real life are already designed - what a bummer. Rush job? I wish. Really, I play for hours just trying to figure out whether I want walls to be on the inside face or outside face of the center line. Man what a waste of time. I did have the computer crash on me once - wasted two hours of work (yes, I was stupid and didn't save). It only took me 15 minutes to get back what I lost. Ha!
As for rides, I've got the aquarium (Predator Cove), the IMAX theater, the tour boat connection, a dolphin show, and I'm still planning an orca show and thinking of having the submarine ride around the island and reefs. Hmmm...an E ticket ride - any suggestions you think might work? Or that I'd even have room for? I'm guessing it would probably have to be a vertical launch, or small footprint thrill ride. Maybe the speed boat ride? Or some sort of spinning thing? Or some launch from under the island? I'd want to make sure it fit the SeaBase Pacifica theming though.
Thanks again!!!!

bluesnake
11-29-2005, 06:48 PM
Wow, your modern architecture is as impressive as your classical.
This is my favourite park now! :up:

As a suggestion for your free space on the island, how about a small synchronized coaster. I have a small, launched twister that needs few space. :)

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6441/synchron7jf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The speed boat ride would fit perfectly, too.

larry241
11-30-2005, 09:27 PM
Thanks bluesnake! I can't wait to wrap this section up and start working on other parts.
That is a cool launched twister!!! It reminds me of the types of things I did early in rct1 when trying to do scenerios and make money. Cheap coaster, charge for photos, lots of peeps. Not sure it would fit here. But I'm liking the idea of the speed boat ride. Not sure yet.
Here's an update on the orca show - what do you all think? Comments, questions, suggestion?
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5559/orca6cc.jpg

weasel497
11-30-2005, 10:01 PM
:eek:

Simply amazing!!!:eek:

ride_exchanger
12-01-2005, 12:21 PM
Everything looks great Larry, I will be sure to keep an eye on this park project.

cac2889
12-01-2005, 12:28 PM
larry...the entrance and pirate area shot....where did those Rollercoaster supports come from on that red rollercoaster? Are those special supports that users have created, or is that something new that has been added to Wild! ?

LightWarriorK
12-01-2005, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by cac2889
larry...the entrance and pirate area shot....where did those Rollercoaster supports come from on that red rollercoaster? Are those special supports that users have created, or is that something new that has been added to Wild! ?

Those are Pumper's Steelworx, found in the Custom Scenery section. I'll edit the post in a sec with a link.:)

EDIT: Here ya go: http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=477830

cac2889
12-01-2005, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by LightWarriorK
Those are Pumper's Steelworx, found in the Custom Scenery section. I'll edit the post in a sec with a link.:)

EDIT: Here ya go: http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=477830

Very cool. Thanks LightWarriorK. :D Keep up the great work larry!

LightWarriorK
12-01-2005, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by cac2889
Very cool. Thanks LightWarriorK. :D Keep up the great work larry!

You're welcome.:)

And that's a fantastic looking Orca Show, Larry!:up:

Teen_R_A_V_E_N
12-01-2005, 03:21 PM
WOW, it seems I camed late to the show. This work is totally awesome larry. I love it, and I want to say this, but it really reminds me in part of La Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciencies (The City of Arts and Sciences) at Valencia, a really impressive zone of my city with modern buildings as the ones you are building now. It was build by the architect Santiago Calatrava and its positiones in a river bed. This zone is divided in four different areas:
-El Palacio de la Artes Reina Sofía (Palace of the Arts Queen Sophia) a huge, huge building, that looks like a ship, where concerts and arts galleries are held. This one was the last finished, a month ago.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7905/untitled3pb.jpg
-L'Hemispheric (The Hemispheric) a building that looks like an eye, that helds an IMAX cinema and planetarium.
http://www.cac.es/zonadescarga/galeria/H-157dig_JFT.jpg
-El Museo de las Ciencias Principe Felipe (The Sciences Museum Prince Phillip) A huge, huge Rectangular base building that helds a massive science museum were you can touch things.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8696/untitled1sa.jpg
-L'Oceanographic (The Oceanographic) the biggest aquarium in europe were you can go through tubes under water and see sharks and other fish.
http://www.iespana.es/legislaciones/oceanografico.jpg

Your park looks a lot like L'Oceanographic, with all the glass, and the dolphin show. Its really, really good. And I hope this photos inspire you.

larry241
12-01-2005, 03:36 PM
Thank you so much Teen_R_A_V_E_N. Santiago Calatrava is incredible. I've been a fan of his work since his early days and the train stations he designed. I was fortunate to see an exhibit of his work when it came to Dallas, TX, with moving models and tons of drawings - very awesome indeed. The city is trying to raise money right now for 3 bridges he designed crossing the Trinity River near downtown. Beautiful structures - wasteful spending. Oh well.
Very inspirational! I did a lot of image hunting when trying to design something for rct. Unfortunately, there's just not much flexibility. I tried doing similar things that circlevision and some others did by using the land, it just never evolved how I could picture it, so finally I just decided to go with the rectangular structures you see now. BUT - you never know about the future!
And I'm still open to ideas and suggestions about rides and structures. I'm not too thrilled with the roof structures over the orca tank, so I'm open to other possibilities.
Thanks again to all!

larry241
12-04-2005, 04:17 PM
Here's another update - I changed some colors on the orca tank and curves roofs and added some walls and layers to the large tank. I also updated some trees/flowers and added some benches here and there.
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/5356/orcanew14vb.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/2818/orcanew22xf.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/132/orcanew36yk.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1213/orcanew42ve.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/24/orcanew57wm.jpg

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/6831/orcanew63yk.jpg

larry241
12-08-2005, 02:49 PM
Hi all. New pics for SeaBase Pacifica. Here's the station for the tour boats. Sorry the quality isn't that great, I turned down some of the settings
http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4475/120805seabase36te.jpg


I did a total redesign of the restaurant. What do you think?
http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4776/120805seabase49mo.jpg
http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/8831/120805seabase1je.jpg
Just ignore the bright blue supports here - I fixed it. The flat patch of green is where I'll stick another ride somehow. I wanted to do a sub ride, and take it through the island, but found out it can't go through land - that sucks. I might take it around some reefs and other scenery though. That leaves me room for something on the other side of the island, adjacent to the side of the large tank and orca show. I may work on that at another time, since I'd like to work on the entry and the hotel - oops, scratch that - you did not hear me say hotel. And I'm so glad you didn't notice the strange thing you can barely make out in the background my last post. Darn it, I mentioned it again. Argh. Reminder to self - quit doing that. :D
http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/5303/120805seabase26ea.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/7691/120805seabase55ks.jpg

Your_Name_Here
12-08-2005, 04:36 PM
Excellent themeing! :D All of this park's elements fit so well together! :up:

LightWarriorK
12-08-2005, 05:16 PM
That last shot is just breathtaking!:D:up:

The Sci-Fi theming and office roofs look just right here.

garyz0r
12-09-2005, 07:27 AM
Oh my gosh... This park goes straight to "Series of excellent but laggy parks"!

Cyberleader
12-09-2005, 01:28 PM
One short, simple word





WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

larry241
12-09-2005, 01:36 PM
Thanks guys. Does anyone know where I can get a synchronized fountain show? I'd like to add some here and there especially here, and at the front entry), but have no talent and patience for it.

GiveTM_a_chance
12-09-2005, 02:43 PM
Just an excellent masterpiece park larry, its beautiful and breathtaking.
And BTW, about the TM recreation buildings I would be absolutly honoured if I inspire some of your buildings of Odyssey Bay.
Continue with this excellent work!:D

camandjack
12-10-2005, 09:52 AM
Amazing!!! Very cool, keep going at it!!!!

~Camandjack~

larry241
12-18-2005, 12:45 AM
Again, thanks for the comments. Going to bed now, but first - a couple of construction shots of the new submarine ride.
Take a look at the logo too! Any news on fountains either?
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1537/substation27cr.jpg

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9203/substation17dd.jpg