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TrentD
09-01-2005, 06:32 PM
Welcome to TROPICA! My first themed coaster!

Hey everyone. I've been watching over these RCT3 forums for a while now, and have loved looking at everyones work. I've finally decided to try and make something that I could show people on the exchange.

This is my first ever attempt at a fully themed roller coaster, so I really want to know whate everyone thinks, and what I can do to make it better. For now, I am just going to show you guys screenshots, and depending on your reactions, I may make a video. No matter what though, I am planning on making a park following this coasters theme.

Although the themeing for Tropica isn't complete yet, I do have about 80% done, and would like to show you guys so far.

All constructive comments and criticism is welcome, just please keep in mind this is my first shot.

For organizations sake, all screenshots are on a quick temporary site (http://www.millenium-designs.net/rct3) that I've made, that will hopefully turn out to be a fully designed website with all my work.

Finally, the screenshots can be viewed here:

http://www.millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica

Saskro
09-01-2005, 07:10 PM
That looks very nice for a first themed coaster! I don`t have very much experience with tracklayouts myself, but it doesn`t look too unrealistic from what I can see.
I just wonder why you have that very small lifthill in one of those station pictures? It seems like you kept the ride low above the ground for a long time... that`s not a bad idea to built up tension before the big lift, but maybe you should use blockbrakes to accelerate the train on these flat parts until it arrives at the main lifthill.
I like the idea of using that extra building to hide the upcoming hill. And in one shot I see the train go right over the station building. That`s also very cool!
Keep it up!

TrentD
09-01-2005, 07:24 PM
Thank you Saskro, I appreciate your opinion.

Well, to be honest, I never really thought of using block brakes in the beginning, and I guess I could have also used a power launch, just very slow. I tried to make the beginning like the Jurassic Park ride, where you go on a short little tour through the scenery before the main part. I guess I thought the little hill would give me enough speed for that.

Also, there are a few parts between the station and the launch building where I have the chains pull the car along, but I kinda like that style.

I may change the short hill in the beginning, and try some variants.

Thanks again!

RSoxNo1
09-02-2005, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by Saskro
That looks very nice for a first themed coaster! I don`t have very much experience with tracklayouts myself, but it doesn`t look too unrealistic from what I can see.
I just wonder why you have that very small lifthill in one of those station pictures? It seems like you kept the ride low above the ground for a long time... that`s not a bad idea to built up tension before the big lift, but maybe you should use blockbrakes to accelerate the train on these flat parts until it arrives at the main lifthill.
I like the idea of using that extra building to hide the upcoming hill. And in one shot I see the train go right over the station building. That`s also very cool!
Keep it up!

In Expedition Everest, the new Coaster set to open at Disney's animal Kingdom next year, it begins with a right turn out of the station a small lift hill and then it winds around a little until it gets to the main lift hill that brings guests through the rest of the attraction. It's not entirely uncommon.

TrentD
09-02-2005, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by RSoxNo1
In Expedition Everest, the new Coaster set to open at Disney's animal Kingdom next year, it begins with a right turn out of the station a small lift hill and then it winds around a little until it gets to the main lift hill that brings guests through the rest of the attraction. It's not entirely uncommon.

Hmm, its good to know that it isn't just some odd idea that I had. I knew it wasn't really unrealistic or anything, I've just never seen any IRL rollercoasters that have incorporated it.

marnetmar
09-02-2005, 09:36 PM
That looks like a real good start on your park TrentD :up: :up: More themeing & terraforming would help, but you already know that lol. Keep up the good work.

TrentD
09-02-2005, 10:46 PM
Thanks marnetmar, I'm hoping to get more of that done :).

Now, to both marnetmar and everyone else (anyone whos actually checking this out :p ), what are some things I could do to help improve this ride/park so far? What else could I add to the themeing?

Oh, and also, I took my shot at a waterfall today, and that didn't go too well, so I've read through a couple tutorials on it and hopefully I will be able to get it working :D

marnetmar
09-02-2005, 11:06 PM
I can't remember what all is in the Island Paradise themeing, but to me this really needs something to interact with around the track besides the trees. Maybe a few smaller buildings or something like that. Also some of those small palm plants or something like that would help to add depth to the trees & kind of break up all the trees.

TrentD
09-03-2005, 02:33 PM
Thanks again marnet, I took what you said into consideration and made some changes. I would have had a lot more done, but I also filmed the ride in its current state. I may or may not be release a video of it soon, depending on its interest.

So, for this update, all I was really able to do was add a hut along side of the track, and add a bit more terraforming, rocks, trees, etc. I also added a retaining wall to a certain part of the ride, but forgot to get a screenshot. >.< Oops.

Here's a pic of the hut straight on:
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0025.gif
and;
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0027.gif
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0028.gif

Once again, sorry for the majority of my screenshots being at night, I've just always prefered that :). I am currently experimenting with kinds of lights to help light up the track a bit.

Dont forget all my screenshots can be seen here (http://www.millenium-designs.net/rct3)

Saskro
09-03-2005, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by RSoxNo1
In Expedition Everest, the new Coaster set to open at Disney's animal Kingdom next year, it begins with a right turn out of the station a small lift hill and then it winds around a little until it gets to the main lift hill that brings guests through the rest of the attraction. It's not entirely uncommon.

Yes, you`re right RSoxNo1, good point. I`ve also seen pics and read about Expedition Everest. I completely agree.
I just thought that Trent maybe used severeral sections with the chain to keep the train going. In that case I`d prefer the blockbrakes as boosters because you don`t get the constant chain clicking sound. And I thought that maybe he might not even know about the possibility to use the blockbrakes. In the end it`s all a matter of ones personal taste.

@TrentD: I like your little musical stage. Hope the train is slow enough at that point, so that you`d actually notice it. Maybe add some of that masks and statues as decoration on the stage.
BTW, I also prefer nightshots when taking pictures! :up: But I guess that`s because with some lighting they already look good when not all the theming is done. I really like the warm light of the torches!

TrentD
09-04-2005, 10:30 PM
Thank you saskro. If you've looked at the other screenshots, the train is slow until it reaches the second building (the one after the music stage), so there is enough time to look at the scenery around the stage. Also, I have now added some of the masks, and some other misc. scenery around it, which gave it a nice touch. I also tried putting an overhang over the front, but that way you can't see the people.

And also mainly to RSoxNo1 and Saskro, I am hoping to replace the chains for blockbrakes, to see if they can serve the same purpose, but still keep the train slow, at around ~10KM/h.

Thanks for the replies to the few of you who are checking this out :)

UPDATE: (Sept. 4)

Hello again everyone, I have another update. I was doing a bit more theming to the coaster, and what started as adding a path to the entrance for peeps to test it out, turned into me working on other parts of the park. I know the ride is still kinda far from completion, but I needed a break. Here are some screenshots of what I have been doing.

Here is a shot just showing all the peeps trying to get onto the ride
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0036.gif

Here is a roof I put on the station very quickly. It may or may not stay. Hopefully I will be putting a sign up soon, aswell.
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0038.gif

New food court. (Remember, I'm new to the buildings and stuff)
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0035.gif

Food court, small bathroom. Soon, there will be more functional buildings along this path.
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0037.gif

And here are two pictures of what I have completed so far. The enterprise in the second picture will soon be lowered into the ground, so I can fit it into a smaller building.
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0043.gif
http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/Screenshots/Shot0044.gif


2nd UPDATE: (Sept. 4)
I have completed a ride video of the coaster. It's nothing special, just something I quickly threw together. It is my first video, and also currently does'nt have music. When the ride is complete, there will be a new full video. And BTW - I tried out the block brakes instead of the chains, and they just didn't quite perform the same way I wanted them to :rolleyes:

Video (http://millenium-designs.net/rct3/tropica/videos/Tropica_Promo_01.wmv)

TrentD
10-05-2005, 09:26 PM
Everyone! I hate doing this, but I just want to have one more chance to get some C&C before I truley let this thread float to the last page!

It seem's as if there isn't any interest at all in this park/ride, so I just want a least one more post with C&C. I just really wanna know how I can improve on what I've done!

I've started many new parks and coasters since this one "died", but I am afraid to show them off as I don't want them to be floaters.

Any comments or criticism before I make my next move?

-MoNtU
10-05-2005, 09:48 PM
This is mostly criticism so don't take it personally. Some or a lot of your buildings seem very blocky. That pond/river looks waaaaayyy to deep, especially for how big it is. Try to paint the ground a little bit more in certain areas you think looks right.

Oh, and about the coater. The layout seems a little un-realistic. There is too many turns very high off the ground, and thosed raised up overbank turns look a way to wierd and out of place.

Hope this helps:) :up: and I can't wait to see some of your creations.:)

grod4L
10-05-2005, 10:10 PM
^^^ What he said, plus you could add some hills or omething like that, and add more (and more varied) types of vegetation. If it's tropical, then shouldn't it be lush?

Keep everything in mind when you start your next project. Hope I helped! :)

TrentD
10-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Thank you very much to both of you. I love the work that both of you have, and its awesome to get help from you two :)

I do only have 3 true buildings in this park that the public can see, and yes, they are blocky, but this was my first attempt at buildings, and I'm still experimenting, trying to learn how to create better ones. About the pond, I know it is very deep, but when I made it, I wasn't going for deepness, rather just shape :p .

I will take that point about my coaster into consideration when I build some new ones. I have been keeping my latest ones lower to the ground, but a lot of the time I go wild, and the realistic factor kinda escapes me.

With regards to terraforming and stuff like that. When i started this project (remember, it was my first) I started with a flat piece of land, and I couldn't change a whole lot of elevations afterwards because of the coaster being in place. I have also been working on better combinations of vegetation, and have just recently tried colouring the land.

ONce again, thank you very much for the replies! Hopefully I will have some not-too-bad stuff to show you soon!

-MoNtU
10-06-2005, 06:49 PM
Oh and by the way, I sometimes build my coaster first and delete some sections to terraform it. Then I replace the track and move on to a different section. Also try hand sculpting the land, it may take longer, but you get better and "more to your likeing" results.:)

Remember, great things take time.

TrentD
10-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Heh thanks. Those are two lessons I've learnt by just playing around. They are actually quite valuable to know :)

In fact, I've used both of those techniques on this park I'm working on so far. I know its nothing good, but w/e, I feel like showing it to the maybe 1 person who views this thread :P

http://www.millenium-designs.net/rct3/Unnamed%20Park.jpg