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TycoonCoaster
06-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Hi!
These are my first group of CTRs that I've ever post onto here, the Hong Kong MTR Trains.

I was inspiried by a computer game called BVE to make these trains. BVE is a train driving simulation game and in which you can create or recreate a train system and then you just drive the train.

Okay, here are my trains:

M-Train:
The M-Train is the oldest variation of Electric Multiple Unit that operates on the MTR rapid transit railway system in Hong Kong. 762 cars were ordered, built by Metro Cammell (now Alstom Transportation), and were refurbished starting in 1998 by the Australian company United Goninan.

Unrefurbished M-Train:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0068.jpg

Refurbished M-Train:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0063.jpg


When Disneyland Resort Line opened in 2005, some Second-hand M-Train units were refurbished and assigned to the line. The MTR designed a new driverless train and produced it by refitting existing M-Trains for the line which is designed with a Disney theme in mind. Statues of well-known Disney characters are included inside of the trains, such as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0077.jpg

K-Train:
The K-train is an Electric Multiple Unit that operates on the MTRrapid transitrailway system in Hong Kong.There are two variants:those delivered for the Tseung Kwan O Linenow(but in 2002 to 2009 used on the Kwun Tong Line),and those delivered in 2006 to 2007 for the Tung Chung Line. In 2003 and 2004, these trains (Kwun Tong Line stock) ran on Tsuen Wan Line, Island Line and Tseung Kwan O Line. The first TKE-C651 entering service in late April 2002,the 104 cars were built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and ROTEM consortium.

KTL-K-Train:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0057.jpg

TCL-K-Train:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0059.jpg

A-Train:
The A-Stock is an Electric Multiple Unit that operates on the MTR rapid transit railway system in Hong Kong. There are two variants, one used on the conventional Tung Chung Line, and a more luxurious version used on the Airport Express. These two variations are built jointly by Adtranz (acquired by Bombardier Transportation in 2001) and Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles and manufactured in Spain.

TCL-A-Train:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0082.jpg

AEL-A-Train:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0085.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0086.jpg
^ The cargo carrier car with the capacity of 13 luggage containers.

So that's all for the trains in phrase 1 of this project and phrase 2 and phrase 3 is coming soon.





The things needed to be done:

Door animation for the trains.
LODs needed to be set up.
Custom tracks.
And tons of scenery (e.g.: Screen door, signal light, over head cable).
Comments are welcome



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Banner/MTR1.jpg

Amplifyed
06-14-2009, 12:15 AM
Those models look amazing, I can't find anything to criticize! Looks like a good poly count, even!

djfriktion
06-14-2009, 12:50 AM
Ok...my jaw just dropped...i need help to pick it up...lol.

tyc∞n4life
06-14-2009, 12:54 AM
Great models, the only foreseeable problem is the length of the trains. I can imagine that they would look funny in rct3's railroad's curves. otherwise, great model, great texture, great job :)

gamer2456
06-14-2009, 12:59 AM
Yeah look amazing this going make rct3 railroad train thing of the past good luck.

Viscosity086
06-14-2009, 03:06 AM
They look great, but as I must be myself and say..They look like downloaded model's...probly 40000 poly's from the looks of things..Full Interior modeled...But anyhow they look nice..Hope you actually did make these..Otherwise I'm sorry...

TycoonCoaster
06-14-2009, 04:26 AM
Thanks all!

They look great, but as I must be myself and say..They look like downloaded model's...probly 40000 poly's from the looks of things..Full Interior modeled...But anyhow they look nice..Hope you actually did make these..Otherwise I'm sorry...

Yes, I do actually made them. You can go and search about them if you don't trust me. Because I won't care about the poly count when I'm modelling them, I just want to make them as good as I can and that's my only aim when making them. Once I have completed the model, then I start to reduce the poly count as much as I can. And actually, the trains do not have full interior modeled up till now. So clear now?

Great models, the only foreseeable problem is the length of the trains. I can imagine that they would look funny in rct3's railroad's curves. otherwise, great model, great texture, great job :)

Yeah, it's really funny that I laughed when they took their first run:D, because they are in 1:1 scale. So that's why I need custom tracks for them.

bereth14
06-14-2009, 06:54 AM
Wow, those all look great, I can't wait for import.

Spl Eagles
06-14-2009, 08:00 AM
I will undoubtedly get this when you are finished!!!

^And use the widest turns when turning corners :haha:.

Xendax
06-14-2009, 08:45 AM
Critism is useful. But you made it so good so I can't criticize!

Changer098
06-14-2009, 10:18 AM
Awesome models, a bit long though.

gavt1976
06-14-2009, 10:22 AM
I think these look amazing, but i have got a problem with one of your links in your sig, i wanted to see your Kung Fu(S&S Arrow Multidimensional, POV on post#1) but it takes to your new thread about your trains.

jec8992
06-14-2009, 07:02 PM
dang!!! that looks cool

TycoonCoaster
06-14-2009, 07:08 PM
Thanks all! I will try keep on update this thread if I can, because I'm having my yearly examination.

I think these look amazing, but i have got a problem with one of your links in your sig, i wanted to see your Kung Fu(S&S Arrow Multidimensional, POV on post#1) but it takes to your new thread about your trains.
Thanks for telling me that. Fixed already.

Krakatoa_Coo
06-14-2009, 08:39 PM
i have been on the MTRs when I was in Hong Kong, since i am filipino, i go to the philippines and stay at hong kong for a few days.
modeling is great! especially the mickey one, (MTR to HKDL) have you been in it? there are statues of characters inside with mickey handles and everythng.

TycoonCoaster
06-15-2009, 04:59 AM
i have been on the MTRs when I was in Hong Kong, since i am filipino, i go to the philippines and stay at hong kong for a few days.
modeling is great! especially the mickey one, (MTR to HKDL) have you been in it? there are statues of characters inside with mickey handles and everythng.
Yes, I have, but I think I won't be able to create these for the trains with the current version of CTR_creator, because the files are still too big for the creator. So may be with the newer CTR_creator, these may be possible to create.

DasMatze
06-15-2009, 02:33 PM
Yes, I do actually made them. You can go and search about them if you don't trust me.
Well I don't trust you. I just found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Pj4jzEbo0 and this pictures: http://www.freewebs.com/tycooncoaster/vekomaminetrain.htm

You claim the rights of that train but it's easy to see that it's just a modified version of my model: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=23d7cecaa81f37933c5a70503dac4f1d

Even funnier is, you claim the rights of that video effects. So what will you do if I use blur in my videos?

DasMatze

gavt1976
06-15-2009, 03:32 PM
I can not believe he has stole this from dasmatze and claim it is his, i think the mods should banned him from here. :mad: :down:

Changer098
06-15-2009, 04:22 PM
You can't declare that stealing. If TycoonCoaster were to have used your model, It would not be stealing because he never released it for download. And DasMatze on the google download page, you never said nobody could use it. So It's not stealing.

DasMatze
06-15-2009, 04:59 PM
Ok, but he could at least give a credit. I wonder why he cares for the texture so much while there is none except plain colors:
also the copyright problem to the texture.

DasMatze

Ultimar
06-15-2009, 05:06 PM
^^^ Agreed, is he that youtube user, because I suscribed to him... thinking he was great. But he refuses to admit what he did. Out with rule breakers!

Xendax
06-15-2009, 05:07 PM
^ Same here, I thought he had talent, not a talent for crime! Is it really copywrited? If so that illegal action.

Changer098
06-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Don't talk trash until you can be 100% sure that it was that same model. If he did use your model and textures, I think it would be at least fair to give credit. Because They look very similar.

RctWeekly25
06-15-2009, 06:03 PM
^we are pretty sure its dasmatze not tycoons

DasMatze
06-15-2009, 06:12 PM
Don't talk trash until you can be 100% sure that it was that same model.
http://www.LupiUpload.de/101029/k-Dst5h3WD.jpg (http://www.LupiUpload.de/101029/Dst5h3WD.jpg)

And DasMatze on the google download page, you never said nobody could use it.
I wrote nothing about the copyright. Does "nothing" mean people are allowed to redistribute it? If so we have to put terms of use beneath every picture, text, script and object in the WWW to protect the copyright.

Anyway, this shouldn't be the point of this topic. Proceed with talking about his trains. But be sure which facts you trust and which not.

DasMatze

gavt1976
06-15-2009, 06:14 PM
I trust you dasmatze and all your stuff are amazing.

TycoonCoaster
06-16-2009, 05:38 AM
Well, Das, if you still think that I steal your model, I am speechless and fine, it's just okay for me not to release them and under my personal use, okay? Happy now?

Just the same question, why I need to steal? It doesn't mean anything that I have good modelling skills and a good model. I won't bercome a superstar, a professional modeller, but just a small actor here, on YouTube, Viemo. It doesn't have anything to do with me! I can't learn anything, I can't do modelling myself, if I steal your model! You know?

Here is my explantion why my model have a similar model as yours:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Locomotive2.jpg
I have the habbit of making and finding refernce images when making 3D models if the things I'm creating is a real object. So I take photos from your model to make the images.

And here, the trains are the proof of my ability. Why I need to steal?

Changer098
06-16-2009, 08:48 AM
How many peeps would be able to sit in one of these trains?

bereth14
06-16-2009, 09:16 AM
Those trains aren't featured in the first post, what is Das Matze's deal?

TycoonCoaster
06-16-2009, 09:16 AM
How many peeps would be able to sit in one of these trains?
18 (Except for the cargo carrier for the AEL-A-Train. There will be just 1 "seat" avilable.)
I will increase the no. of peeps that would be able to sit if I was able to complete the interior design and was able to be imported successfully.

gavt1976
06-16-2009, 09:21 AM
delete comment.

TycoonCoaster
06-16-2009, 09:28 AM
Suppose, one car of each train can fit about 300 peeps if they are in the position of standing during the ride.

Yes, I am planing to make two of the trains into recolourable, TCL-K-Train and TCL-A-Train.

Brio94
06-16-2009, 09:31 AM
congratulations it is a really good job!!


:up:

wabigbear
06-16-2009, 10:51 AM
Those trains aren't featured in the first post, what is Das Matze's deal?

Yes, but that train model IS shown on TycoonCoaster's website where he clearly claims it's his work. He even has the following posted on his site:

All of the things are protected under the Laws of Copyright. Except the owner, none of the others have the right to use their works unless you have received permission from the owners before copying, reposting their works.

My CTRs are just the same, most of them are recreated from the real objects and a little modification has been done on them, so as to be sure they are not 100% copied from the real things.

Also, please do not try and steal my CTRs as I will know if yours have the same features as mine.

Das Matze has every right to question this. TycoonCoaster's Vekoma Mine Train is a direct rip off of Das Matze's work. Nowhere do I see even a credit to Das Matze for his work, I don't care how he says he made it. It's clearly and obviously based on Das Matze's work without even a simple thank you.

That's wrong. And other people here have been called out on similar things.

Fisherman
06-16-2009, 11:15 AM
People have been banned for stuff like that even...

-Derek

philipman2000
06-16-2009, 11:43 AM
nice work on the tarins
btw i have been reading about the copyright post that das has said im taking no one side there right a wrong yes the train does look the same but then again he didn't steal it.
so you have wrong and right ways about the argument
i think the admins should deal with it and try not get anyone banned because i love tycoon work he is simply amazing at it i don't want to see him go . just try and see if you can agreement on it and leave it as that

Vodhin
06-16-2009, 11:55 AM
*Sigh*

This : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tIk3GwqVrY&feature=channel_page that you have claimed to have made yourself (in three hours)...

Looks remarkably similar to this: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=5add4141f0d6bff2cb24b82da271dcf6&prevstart=0 that was uploaded by: wyliepoon on January 20, 2008

I understand that English may not be your primary language (and you do write it better than some of the members on this forum to whom English is their only language) and so the question of your model's origin remains unclear.

Did you actually make this Hong Kong Tram from nothing, building the model and drawing the texture, or did you simply get the sketchup model and modify it to be a CTR?

Please answer either "I made this model myself" or "I converted a Sketchup model into a CTR"

I'm not accusing you stealing, I'm only trying to end confusion regarding the model's origin. In my own opinion, I see no reason why someone cannot take a warehouse model and make it a CTR as long as they clearly state the model came from the warehouse and provide a link.

Old-Spice
06-16-2009, 02:46 PM
If you realy say that you made this model, then you have nothing to worrie about. Send the model to me, I will compare it to Dasmatzes.

So if you made the model you will have no abjection on sending it to me, as all of you know I am a well respected modeling veteran, and I have years of sketchup under my belt to know what I am doing. I want to get to the bottom of this.

Send the model to me via PM. If you refuse, I will take it that, you did indeed take his orignal model, and will request a ban, and you will loose all respect from me, and the rest of the community. However, If i deturmine that it is NOT the same, we will all owe you a appology, and we will move past this.

I will be waiting for that PM.

citytrader
06-16-2009, 09:45 PM
That sounds like an excellent idea, OS.

It would be best to lay this to rest.

Crowheart
06-16-2009, 10:37 PM
We don't need to wait for all that.


Here is my explantion why my model have a similar model as yours:
I have the habbit of making and finding refernce images when making 3D models if the things I'm creating is a real object. So I take photos from your model to make the images.


If you made your model based on pictures of his, then you owe him credit.
It's not your original creation, but a copy of his.

But instead you're passing it off as your own on your site and Youtube, with no mention of him, and clearly had no intention of doing it here either until it was brought up.
Even sillier is saying no one can copy it from you, when that's precisely what you've done to him.

If you're not going to just admit this and give him the credit he's deserved, I will take action.

Imagineer125
06-16-2009, 10:47 PM
hello look at dasmatze wheels and look at tycooncoaster wheel there different !!!! good luck tycoon coaster your a awesome molder

(EDIT) on the mine trains

maskedbandit101
06-16-2009, 11:43 PM
^ So, if you modeled...say...a bicycle for this game...posted it, whatever, and then I came along and made a bicycle that was exactly the same as yours EXCEPT for, say, the basket in front, and I never mentioned you or the bicycle you created in my discussion of my bicycle...you'd think that was okay and you wouldn't accuse me of stealing?

That's like kidnapping someone who was wearing a blue hat, putting a red hat on them and trying to convince someone they're a different person.

ytivarg
06-17-2009, 12:25 AM
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3468/244336-bannanas_super.jpg

Welcome to the Atari Forums.

~LoveTulie
06-17-2009, 12:34 AM
Grav, wtf? :haha:

ytivarg
06-17-2009, 12:36 AM
*shrug*

It happened. Can't take it back. ;)

Viscosity086
06-17-2009, 02:19 AM
I knew this as soon as it was posted...Ha! I can smell trouble from a mile away anymore..
All I hope for is give Dasmatze credit or anyone else from now on..It dose not make you look bad by doing so..And will also keep you out of trouble with copyrights.

rctman12
06-17-2009, 02:33 AM
ugh yet again -_-

Old-Spice
06-17-2009, 03:16 AM
Still awating that PM....

TycoonCoaster
06-17-2009, 05:48 AM
So, I have already sent a PM to Old Spice. But as what I have said before, I create my own one with refernce to the images that I took. At first, when the train was not created, I thought Vekoma Mine Trains share the same features and so, I create the main shape of the train with refernce to the images and coloured it with the colour that I thought to be the best to match the trains.

However, I admit that this is my fault of not giving him credit for the help of the images. I will soon add this onto my site, YouTube etc. Okay?

To the textures that I'm worrying about, it also refers to the textured version that I am still making, but I don't think I have a chance to release it.


Now, to the trams, I think some of you didn't notice that I'm from Hong Kong and don't trust me that I create the tram. Well, maybe letting you guys to have a look at these images:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Tram.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Tram1.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Tram2.jpg

The one on the left is my own one. So you see? Mine is just an extremely simple design and almost all of the textures are alpha textures. Actually, I created this tram a long time ago (2 years ago) for my school project originally .


So clear and problem solved now?

gavt1976
06-17-2009, 06:11 AM
Delete comment :mad:

TycoonCoaster
06-17-2009, 06:30 AM
I like the trams, but are going to do the trams in the UK or is it just Hong Kong.
Em. I will see if I have time to make it.

UPDATE (PHRASE 2 MODELLING BEGINS!)
Light Rail
The MTR Light Rail, also known Light Rail Transit (LRT), used to be one of the four systems of the KCR network in Hong Kong. It serves the northwestern New Territories, within and between Tuen Mun District and Yuen Long District. It runs on 1435 mm track gauge (standard gauge), with direct current 750V. The railway line was operated by Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation (KCRC) prior to the MTR-KCR merger and has since been taken over by MTR Corporation on 2 December 2007 after the merger completed.

Light rail train (phrase 1)
Phase one LRVs were built by Comeng and put in service in 1988. They are numbered 1001-1070 and accommodate 43 sitting passengers and 161 standees.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Shot0091.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Shot0093.jpg
Yes, it can actually run on the in-game tracks, but oops it looks like they are being separated.:p

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/Shot0092.jpg

The light rail running through a tight curve is just a normal case that you can see in the terminal:

qjXinUHUttQ

So I think I will need to make the wheelsets into turnable.

Old-Spice
06-17-2009, 09:23 AM
When I first started my exam of both Tycoon's, and Dasmatze's models, I right away noticed similarities between the two models.

Just to be clear, Tycoon's claimed model is dark brown, and Dasmatze's is light tan.

My one concern was the size, as I have used reference pics before, I know for a fast that if I used reference pics of another model to make a copy of it, that It would NOT be the same size. I know this to be a fact, because when you take a screenshot or export a image from Sketchup and re-import it as a photo, then the size of the model in the reference photo will not be the exact same.

As a clear sigh of this the, pic below clearly illustrates "flickering" of the 2 models once placed on top of one another. This flickering is caused when 2 faces are exactly in the same place and the computer doesn't know which to show, and it will flicker between them.

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/gg369/Old-Spice-08/1-13.jpg

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/gg369/Old-Spice-08/2-16.jpg

I also took apart both models and compared individual pieces and found them to also be the same size, shape, and the number of faces. If he where to use reference pics, and where to make it exactly the same, it would not be the same scale, as sketchup resizes images when you import.

I have come to my conclusion that this is in fact a rip off of Dasmatze's original work. TycoonCoaster did NOT make this model. He might have made suttle changes, such as new wheels, and took out a few minor details like you see on the bell, and the smoke stack, but without a doubt, he did steal this model and claim copyright over Dasmatze's original work.

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/gg369/Old-Spice-08/3-6.jpg

TycoonCoaster is guilty of theft, and will be dealt with by a mod.



If anyone wishes to challenge me, and this case, I warn you, you WILL loose, as i am very experienced with this program and i know exactly what i am talking about.

TycoonCoaster, you owe Dasmatze, as well as the rest of the community an apology. You loose.

Sincerely,

-Spice :D

Ckef01
06-17-2009, 10:13 AM
This is just silly, now it's pretty obvious you just used Dasmatze's model.
And you're also trying to say that you made that tram by yourself?, it has the exact same size, all the shapes are the same, exactly the same, you just deleted the inside and changed it so rct3 can take it..

wabigbear
06-17-2009, 11:34 AM
I'm sorry - even the Hong Kong tram's look fishy as Ckef pointed out. Your's looks like you took the other model, removed a ton of faces, and now call it your own. But otherwise it appears to be the EXACT same size, the EXACT same porportions, the EXACT same shape and size of the roof bump-out, the EXACT same angle on the electrical pickup thing on the roof. EXACTLY how is that possible?

Unless your name is wyliepoon and you uploaded it to the SketchUp Warehouse on January 20, 2008 I'm not buying it.

Old-Spice has already proven that you're not being truthful, don't insult our intelligence further. You could have been truthful and stated from the start that you were basing your things on other's work. But instead you decided to claim all the credit for yourself. I have zero respect for something like that. It's insulting to those people actually do the work or are honest about using the work of others.

DasMatze
06-17-2009, 12:05 PM
Here is my explantion why my model have a similar model as yours:
You didn't even use that technique right so that you are even more unable to recreate my model that much. It's obviously.

You didn't gain respect with this, you know. People have been banned for doing this one time. You did it probably five times. So, I quote some last words for you by someone who seemed really angry instead of being calm since he had nothing to hide: "Happy now?" ;)

Thanks to everyone who was helping me! :up:

DasMatze

bereth14
06-17-2009, 12:28 PM
Wow, you cheated. But this thread was filled with so much spam. This thread isn't about that. I just wonder if he made these too...

Also, Das Matze, no quoting images.

TheChicosAStar
06-17-2009, 12:35 PM
If anyone wishes to challenge me, and this case, I warn you, you WILL loose, as i am very experienced with this program and i know exactly what i am talking about.
-Spice :D
Who would even dare?

Viscosity086
06-17-2009, 12:39 PM
He did not make any of these..I said that in the 5th post...the trains are all life size...and do not fit RCT3 track...I have actually found a few models of similar type...but appears colors have been changed heavily...

Old-Spice
06-17-2009, 02:01 PM
I think I pretty much took care of this. He will be dealt with accordingly.

philipman2000
06-17-2009, 02:34 PM
Ok now its getting to the point where the situation turn ugly deal with this now and i bring this into attention
the Hong Kong tram does also look like a rip off because every place is exactly the same on google sketch up model here the model of it
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=5add4141f0d6bff2cb24b82da271dcf6&prevstart=0
if is a really big blow tycoon you have gotten into trouble with this community
Now the tram which is clear a rip off by the pictures you provided.
The detail is the same on the model but you have got ridden the bits that you don't want.
So again your claiming this is you work it's just clearly not and i have taken pictures of it with the wire frame on.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f286/philipman2000/frame1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f286/philipman2000/frame2.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f286/philipman2000/frame3.jpg
so you can see it basicly the same
Sorry tycoon i lost faith in you i would suggest a ban now for doing the twice its not on !!!

ytivarg
06-17-2009, 02:34 PM
Thieves get this:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/perma_banned.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=2377)

coinich
06-17-2009, 02:52 PM
Thats a wonderful gif there. :)

Crowheart
06-17-2009, 03:04 PM
Tycooner,

You may respond to Old Spice's findings regarding the Vekoma train.

Respond carefully, because if a reasonable explanation isn't offered for his findings, your stay here will be over.

Xendax
06-17-2009, 03:33 PM
Woah, I've missed alot sorry, And yes Old Spice is correct.


:atari: needs trusty people to keep this forum alive, Tycooner, you could have atleast credited dazmate, one of the greatest modelers here. I have no say in this because I am not a moderator so this message ends here:weird:

bereth14
06-17-2009, 05:25 PM
I sure hope he gets banned, unless he explains very well, then just give him all the warnings he'll ever get.

Xendax
06-17-2009, 06:05 PM
I made a post on his utube account, removed it and tried to attack my channel, not exactly someone who takes blame for things they did.


This all seems odly familiar, this keeps happening over and over, Its stupid really.

Viscosity086
06-17-2009, 08:43 PM
Simply put, people don't learn... :sour:

Xendax
06-17-2009, 09:10 PM
Crowheart, I do not think hes coming, he has logged on multiple times, would have seen your message, he just will not admit this. Action must be taken

Crowheart
06-17-2009, 09:25 PM
He's going to be given a reasonable amount of time to respond.
No one is going to say we didn't give him a chance to defend himself.

Xendax
06-17-2009, 09:42 PM
^ That seems fair.

superlegostarwa
06-17-2009, 10:46 PM
Thieves get this:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/perma_banned.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=2377)

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:up:

TycoonCoaster
06-17-2009, 11:47 PM
Okay, okay.

I know I was wrong now, that I actually did was just copy Das Matze's mine train, so I will remove all kinds of similar message that is involved in this confusion in order to end it and stop the project on the tram and the Mine Train.

But, I need to state that all my MTR trains feature in this thread are all recreated from the real Hong Kong MTR and 100% modelled by me, so you can challenge me on that and I'd like to.


Sorry to all of you.



P.S.: About my site, since Free Webs are getting a recovery on their system and I am unable to log in, so the edition of my site will be done later.

Ckef01
06-18-2009, 01:20 AM
Come on, how can you possibly recreate two cars exactly the same without knowing the original one? you can't.. or you have some kind of magical power.
But you won't convince me that you're innocent anymore, it's so obvious, it's simply impossible, and your own pics are the evidence that you simply copied it..

infiniteblue
06-18-2009, 01:57 AM
Why don't you just admit it and give proper credit to DasMatze. The mine train models are just too similar; there is no way that you both created nearly identical models. DasMatze's comparo shot of both trains show one, and only one difference. His wheels were modeled, and your wheels are just one plane alpha images. Why can't you just admit that you used his model?

superlegostarwa
06-18-2009, 02:43 AM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/7/Banned.jpg

TycoonCoaster
06-18-2009, 03:15 AM
Okay, just as what I have said, I need to face that I don't have anything else to support, so I have to admit that. And sorry again to everyone ecspecially to Das Matze.


P.S.: Maybe can the mods please help to clean up here? I want a peace environment to present my new project.

Moby
06-18-2009, 03:56 AM
You're very apologetic for someone who didn't steal anything.

ytivarg
06-18-2009, 05:00 AM
Okay, just as what I have said, I need to face that I don't have anything else to support, so I have to admit that. And sorry again to everyone ecspecially to Das Matze.


P.S.: Maybe can the mods please help to clean up here? I want a peace environment to present my new project.


So, I don't understand if you're admitting you've taken someone else's work and taken the credit for it.. or if you're still denying it?

P.S. Maybe the mods can clean it up.. but they usually leave this kind of stuff here for people to see. Good thing you've made a great first impression on us, eh? :rolleyes:

TycoonCoaster
06-18-2009, 06:05 AM
Yes, I am admitting.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 07:26 AM
Sorry but thats a terrible explanation! You still say you did not and then you finally say

" Yea I did, because I have no better support"

Seriously?

What really worries me is that you did not admit it till even after a mod said he would ban you! You still did not fully admit it either, because you just "have" to admit, really, I think I am saying bye to this user.

TycoonCoaster
06-18-2009, 07:59 AM
Sorry but thats a terrible explanation! You still say you did not and then you finally say

" Yea I did, because I have no better support"

Seriously?

What really worries me is that you did not admit it till even after a mod said he would ban you! You still did not fully admit it either, because you just "have" to admit, really, I think I am saying bye to this user.
I am serious that I admit it.

liamrocks
06-18-2009, 08:12 AM
Well, I stayed out of here as long as I could. There is quite a bit of evidence against Tycoon, yet still, there is some evidence he is not all liar. I mean, he did put those trains on a track, and never said he would release them, so he is really not saying they are "up for grabs' This would seem enough to satisfy me, but he did comment on the trains, and the venomka mine train being his own creation.

Thats where we draw the line. Its bad enough to post a thread for another's work, yet even worse to claim it as your own. I have come to my own decision, this wasn't his to start, and the mine train was a copy, with different textures. Then, he made a version of the one phillipman posted. He may have created something, but none of the base design was his own.

In all honesty, I dont think he should be banned permanently. Maybe just an infraction. I think when you do it once, you learn your lesson rather then repeat it and face prosecution.

FACTual
06-18-2009, 10:43 AM
here, how about this...


"Hey! I just made this great CTR train set all by myself, it took me tons of hours, almost 3 all together! Do you like me?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii12/TycoonCoaster/CTR_Wagen/Shot0086.jpg

I'm going to be making all kinds of trains from scratch for the whole world to download (as long as no one copies them and tries to claim them as their own). Look for my future updates...."




How does that feel?

wabigbear
06-18-2009, 10:57 AM
In all honesty I'm not interested in anything this person posts here ever again.

He's not a child. He's old enough to be responsible for his actions and to accept the consequences. He knows the difference between right and wrong.

He clearly made the claim that all this work is his. He actually had to be convinced over a couple days to admit that he was lying, including having Old Spice prove it, otherwise he'd be still telling us this is all 100% his work.

He went so far as to post copyrights and warnings against people 'copying' HIS work when in fact that is EXACTLY what he himself did.

And then he repeatedly posted here that he was the designer and all this was his work even after people called him on it. Not a one-time mistake, but repeatedly he made that claim.


If that's not considered being a liar, I'm puzzled as to exactly what is? :weird:


His remaining here is a decision for the mods, and isn't my business as it's not up to me. But I have absolutely ZERO interest in anything he posts here in the future because quite frankly I can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. I also know that other members have had problems with this person over different but similar concerns before this thread was ever started, so I have my doubts that this was a one time occurance that he learned his lesson from.

FOgplaya
06-18-2009, 10:58 AM
Sweet trians

FACTual
06-18-2009, 11:22 AM
^thanks!

superlegostarwa
06-18-2009, 01:12 PM
In all honesty I'm not interested in anything this person posts here ever again.

But I have absolutely ZERO interest in anything he posts here in the future because quite frankly I can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

100% Agreed

Changer098
06-18-2009, 01:33 PM
I don't want to make people mad but, would you shut up. Good lord. He screwed up once and it's almost like you're trying to say he has stolen a million dollars worth of goods and nobody found him. He admitted and apologized, let it go. It's not like this is the first time this has happened. And I don't care if you don't like what I said, let it go.

ytivarg
06-18-2009, 02:00 PM
I don't want to make people mad but, would you shut up. Good lord. He screwed up once and it's almost like you're trying to say he has stolen a million dollars worth of goods and nobody found him. He admitted and apologized, let it go. It's not like this is the first time this has happened. And I don't care if you don't like what I said, let it go.

One day, you too, will know the value of trust and respect.

Changer098
06-18-2009, 02:38 PM
I do know the value of trust and respect and I also know the value of apoligies. Do you?

Boston
06-18-2009, 02:44 PM
It's not like this is the first time this has happened.

And it won't be the last, sadly, especially with the kind of apathy we have with the subject. Stealing this kind of intellectual property is a big deal; unfortunately some people, like TycoonCoaster, just don't get it.

philipman2000
06-18-2009, 02:51 PM
Okay, okay.

I know I was wrong now, that I actually did was just copy Das Matze's mine train, so I will remove all kinds of similar message that is involved in this confusion in order to end it and stop the project on the tram and the Mine Train.

But, I need to state that all my MTR trains feature in this thread are all recreated from the real Hong Kong MTR and 100% modelled by me, so you can challenge me on that and I'd like to.


Sorry to all of you.



P.S.: About my site, since Free Webs are getting a recovery on their system and I am unable to log in, so the edition of my site will be done latenow yes tycoon has done 2 very bad mistakes by ripping the cars and there the same
we really want to hear an official apology and take responsibility of your action if not das has the right to sue due to copyright rules and this is a serious issue that needs sorting out or dealt fast as possible
Tycoon just please make an official apology to this forums if not well im sorry then you have to go if you can't do that

Viscosity086
06-18-2009, 02:56 PM
It's called a Forum for a reason..And you can also post comments in these forum's. So everyone can have a shot and say something that is on their mind.. People do not have to "let it go".This will cause another off topic argument.

I do not agree philipman.. No one here holds copyrights to there stuff, unless they send money into the US or whatever country they are in..copyright place. Normally costs around 20-30$ per item..same with picture's costs about the same PER picture.. So that's why many do not actually have real copyrights... Only reason I know this is because I have paid for a few things to be copyrighted (not for RCT3).

So basicly we all here go on "please just dont copy my stuff" and everyone upholds this, and its really good and money saving.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 02:58 PM
Some people do not realize what he has done.

He took TWO different models and posted them on wherever, now the problem is that he said on his videos

"You may NOT do anything with MY models"



He is basically calling copywrights on other peoples stuff which is highly illegal.


How will people ever be able to trust this user? Maybe the trains on the front page are stollen aswell.

Viscosity086
06-18-2009, 03:01 PM
Not if they do not have copyrights to begin with....But still I understand where its goin, Id be upset too..But the same time..Flattered that people want the stuff so bad..lol

Xendax
06-18-2009, 03:06 PM
Still, it is too late to go back, If I steal something, it is too late to go back.

No child could edit a sketchup model so he knows what is right and wrong. He deserves to concequence.


This player has done things before that do break rules here? And here he goes again except more serious, as some others said. Honestly? Has he learned his lesson? NO, He keeps getting away with this! Each time he is told, 1 more time and you are gone, it has been multiple times, and he remains.


All I can say to this user is:


Should this user remain here? :up: or :down::

:down:

Moby
06-18-2009, 03:33 PM
No one here holds copyrights to there stuff, unless they send money into the US or whatever country they are in..copyright place. Normally costs around 20-30$ per item..same with picture's costs about the same PER picture.. So that's why many do not actually have real copyrights... Only reason I know this is because I have paid for a few things to be copyrighted (not for RCT3).

So basicly we all here go on "please just dont copy my stuff" and everyone upholds this, and its really good and money saving.

You're wrong. Digital rights is different.
The general rule is that the author of the work is the first holder of copyright.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
You're wrong. Digital rights is different.
The general rule is that the author of the work is the first holder of copyright.

Correct!

123is456
06-18-2009, 03:54 PM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Dont permaban him, just tempban him.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 03:58 PM
Many people that have no atari forum experience, (like 20 posts) keep coming and bailing him out. They have not been here to witness this happen over and over and the real troubles that arise.

wabigbear
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
I do know the value of trust and respect and I also know the value of apoligies. Do you?

I was totally sincere when I apologized to the judge for my speeding ticket years ago.

I still had to pay the fine.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
^ Exactly!

ccmm
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
"klik" (http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html)
Note: I put this up just in case anyone wants to read some of it (I know its a lot).


WOW...... I.......woooow....... I read this whole thread and I am shocked at how long this is. I can seriously relate this to a Court!

Judge/Magistrate: Old-Spice (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=269559)
Accused: TycoonCoaster (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=315644)
Witness: DasMatze (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=247554)
Defence Lawyer: Changer098 (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=341646)
Baliff: (will be announced)
Jury: The Mods
Media: Anyone not mentioned!
Anderson Cooper!: ytivarg (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=219579)
Prosecutor: Xendax (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=340259)

about a courtroom! (http://www.courtwise.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/victimsservices/ll_courtwise.nsf/pages/courtwise_courtroom_tour#)

ytivarg
06-18-2009, 04:28 PM
Can I be Anderson Cooper?

Farenheit97
06-18-2009, 04:34 PM
Only if i can be the Closed Circuit Television Camera!

Xendax
06-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Lol no need for spam people.


btw I can be the lawyer for Dazmate

Astrotom3000
06-18-2009, 04:49 PM
I don't want to make people mad but, would you shut up. Good lord. He screwed up once and it's almost like you're trying to say he has stolen a million dollars worth of goods and nobody found him. He admitted and apologized, let it go. It's not like this is the first time this has happened. And I don't care if you don't like what I said, let it go.

Well put Changer098.. I could not agree more....

From FACTual:

here, how about this...
"Hey! I just made this great CTR train set all by myself, it took me tons of hours, almost 3 all together! Do you like me?

<Image>

I'm going to be making all kinds of trains from scratch for the whole world to download (as long as no one copies them and tries to claim them as their own). Look for my future updates...."




How does that feel?


FACTual, that's just stupid. How is that helping anyone?

TycoonCoaster knows what he has done is wrong, and he apologized.

I think this topic should be closed. I keep thinking that someone posts in here because of an update, but when I check, all I see is this seemingly never-ending argument. Please! Resolve this already. I am getting a headache just reading it all! :bulb:

Changer098
06-18-2009, 04:56 PM
Why am I the lawyer of TycoonCoaster, I'm just a friend of his.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 04:56 PM
Apologizing does nothing basically,


he still broke a rule and should face a ban.


^ Because you were being very defensive.

gamer2456
06-18-2009, 05:12 PM
now yes tycoon has done 2 very bad mistakes by ripping the cars and there the same
we really want to hear an official apology and take responsibility of your action if not das has the right to sue due to copyright rules and this is a serious issue that needs sorting out or dealt fast as possible
Tycoon just please make an official apology to this forums if not well I'm sorry then you have to go if you can't do that

First going to say dismatz has no right sue because he not Owen A real copyright the judge would laugh him out of court I know this for fact because I took two years in criminal and civil law.

You think make this model in sketch up you Owen model once post online you don't on less get model copyrighted through US or Internal than would be able to sue. When post model on 3dwarehouse it free game and any one can take it.

Is right no but there nothing one can do about it on less you got real copyright to that model in us or internal Federal documents.

Second agree that tycoon did do something wrong but he did Apologize so I think it should end there get Infractions from mods.

Viscosity086
06-18-2009, 05:16 PM
You're wrong. Digital rights is different.
The general rule is that the author of the work is the first holder of copyright.

Wrong Moby, read the US copyright law..I googled it, You are the holder and first person to recive such copyright, upon design of the completed project. BUT it is not up held by law or considered "legal" in any way, until you pay for it through the copyright office. Says it plain in black and white.

So in short, you do hold the copyright, but it is not a legit right until its done through the copyright office..Applys on all Digital/art media.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#register
You can read more here. I just went through the jist of things. As that certian law, falls under about 10 more, and so fourth, goes alot deeper than just "you hold a copyright". No leagal action can be taking until you hold such.


An example in short: You make say a texture. Slap it on the web. Well you might have made it and say "dont use it" unless you give credit..Well that only works in you're world. Real world, anyone can use that..Because you have no copyright through the copyright office..You cant do anything leagly about it..They hold no record of it.. Small short dirty example of such.

I by no means know everything about this, I just know some. Because I have went through the process and paid for such right's. Sometimes its good to have on special things.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 05:21 PM
^^ He has done many things on these forums over and over, A bam will put this to rest. An infraction will just let him do it again like usual.


and who said dazmate is sueing? A ban is enough

Old-Spice
06-18-2009, 05:40 PM
I don't want to make people mad but, would you shut up. Good lord. He screwed up once and it's almost like you're trying to say he has stolen a million dollars worth of goods and nobody found him. He admitted and apologized, let it go. It's not like this is the first time this has happened. And I don't care if you don't like what I said, let it go.
Tycoon stole a model that another user work very hard one, and claimed it as his own. That too me is something very wrong. And when calle dout on it he contuned to claim it as his own even whe pics where shown.

In life, you commit a robery you go to prisson for 5 years. you cant just say "sorry" and go home, it dosent work that way, you get punnished, and thats life. There are rules for a reason, a governemt for a reason, too keep us in line and from killing eachother, and its serious when one breakes a rule or law, and if he/she is treeted fairly, then others think its ok...

ccmm
06-18-2009, 05:53 PM
Can I be Anderson Cooper?
Umm, sure:haha:

Only if i can be the Closed Circuit Television Camera!
maybe!?


Lol no need for spam people.


btw I can be the lawyer for Dazmate
Done, and Done (both spam and lawyer!)

Well I've finished with the court thing, carry-on!

RCT3Callum
06-18-2009, 05:56 PM
Interesting court case - all that build up for no verdict!?!!?

BOO!
*Rebels*
*Throws eggs*
>.<

Xendax
06-18-2009, 06:08 PM
^ Lol, Old Spice is right, He did it, it is serious, I do not care whatsoever if he apologized, He should be banned.

If you think he should be banned give this::down:

if not this::up:

I give this::down::down::down::down::down::down:

Changer098
06-18-2009, 06:11 PM
Old-Spice said
"In life, you commit a robery you go to prisson for 5 years. you cant just say "sorry" and go home, it dosent work that way, you get punnished, and thats life. There are rules for a reason, a governemt for a reason, too keep us in line and from killing eachother, and its serious when one breakes a rule or law, and if he/she is treeted fairly, then others think its ok..."

I know all about the American legal law and I get what you're saying. But I'm just trying to point out, for people to stop screwing him over on this model. I have my doubts about the second one. Punishment is fair, but people should just focus on the MTR Trains.

gavt1976
06-18-2009, 06:20 PM
Hey changer098 are you 12 or 31 because if you are 12 you should not be on here, because it says that you are age 31 and then you say you are 12.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Changer098

Moby
06-18-2009, 06:21 PM
Wrong Moby, read the US copyright law..I googled it, You are the holder and first person to recive such copyright, upon design of the completed project.

That's exactly what i said.

BUT it is not up held by law or considered "legal" in any way, until you pay for it through the copyright office. Says it plain in black and white.

Nobody is getting sued. This is about ownership of work. You said nobody here has copyright to their stuff, but we all do. From the link you posted (in black and white):

Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created."

Viscosity086
06-18-2009, 06:36 PM
But my point is that to actually have it legal you must go to the copyright office..Other wise its truely not copyrighted by law, and therefor useless in case of copyright infringement. Meaning it won't hold up in court, if you did want to do something about it. That's all I was trying to get out.

But true, we all hold copyright's. But they are not legal nor legit to any extent of the law. Unless you hold record's in the copyright office.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 06:40 PM
No one is going to court.

Astrotom3000
06-18-2009, 06:51 PM
From Old-Spice:

TycoonCoaster, you owe Dasmatze, as well as the rest of the community an apology. You loose.



you cant just say "sorry" and go home

wow.....

While I agree on what you are saying, I am sorry that I can't agree with the the example you given. First off, this isn't that kind of robbery. Secondly, DasMatze does not hold actual copyright....

Wrong Moby, read the US copyright law..I googled it, You are the holder and first person to recive such copyright, upon design of the completed project. BUT it is not up held by law or considered "legal" in any way, until you pay for it through the copyright office. Says it plain in black and white.

So in short, you do hold the copyright, but it is not a legit right until its done through the copyright office..Applys on all Digital/art media.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/fa....html#register (http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#register)
You can read more here. I just went through the jist of things. As that certian law, falls under about 10 more, and so fourth, goes alot deeper than just "you hold a copyright". No leagal action can be taking until you hold such.


An example in short: You make say a texture. Slap it on the web. Well you might have made it and say "dont use it" unless you give credit..Well that only works in you're world. Real world, anyone can use that..Because you have no copyright through the copyright office..You cant do anything leagly about it..They hold no record of it.. Small short dirty example of such.


Nothing of value was stolen, and the police and government are by no means involved (unless they are secretly tracking us ;)).

I still think what he did was wrong, and he apologized. All he needs is a temporary ban or an infraction, so he won't do this again.

From gavt1976:
Hey changer098 are you 12 or 31 because if you are 12 you should not be on here, because it says that you are age 31 and then you say you are 12.
What does that have to do with this topic?

From Xendax:
If you think he should be banned give this::down:
It depends: what kind of ban?
Temp: Yes
Permenant: No

Make up your minds people, this topic is getting out of hand!

Xendax
06-18-2009, 06:55 PM
I still think what he did was wrong, and he apologized. All he needs is a temporary ban or an infraction, so he won't do this again.


Make up your minds people, this topic is getting out of hand!


Your kidding? He has done many unneeded things on these forums and he still goes at it worse and worse? Temporary, when he gets back why doesn't he just do more?

This user does not learn lessons. Many people have tried to make that clear, then users like you who are friends back him up because he is a friend.

If the judge is a friend of the defendant there is no change in the outcome.

Astrotom3000
06-18-2009, 06:59 PM
Your kidding? He has done many unneeded things on these forums and he still goes at it worse and worse? Temporary, when he gets back why doesn't he just do more?

This user does not learn lessons. Many people have tried to make that clear, then users like you who are friends back him up because he is a friend.

If the judge is a friend of the defendant there is no change in the outcome.

:eek:

Ok first off, I am no friend of him, heck, I don't even know the kid. Secondly I am completely unaware of what he has done in the past. So, enlighten me on these unneeded things, and I might change my stance.

Xendax
06-18-2009, 07:00 PM
Ok as you may of see, I changed terrible, because it was not the right word.

rainbowwarrior
06-18-2009, 08:15 PM
Well all i have to say is tht he shouldn't had claim it his model as he did take it from dasmaze but its not like he hacked into dasmaze's computer and took the file the file was on a place to share and look at other peoples models and he just happen to like the model and download it yes he should have gave dasmaze credit but i dont think it should result in a permant ban a temp ban and he should learn his lesson beacuse he wouldn;t want someone to do this to him.Golden Rule:"In everything do to others as you would have them do to you".

Crowheart
06-18-2009, 09:39 PM
Here's how it's going to be.

Tycoon stole from another member here.
Yes stolen is the word, because taking something that belongs to someone else and claiming it as your own, is stealing.
Whether it has monetary value, or is copyrighted or not, is irrelevant.
No one is going to be a member of this community and steal from other members.

However, I believe in second chances, and rehabilitation is > than punishment.

You are banned Tycoon, for three months.
So on September 15th, I will be lifting your ban on some conditions.
That Das Matzes model is removed from your site and Youtube is one condition.

If that doesn't happen, the ban will become permanent.
If you create a clone account and post here, the ban will become permanent.

Otherwise, you will be welcomed back with full priveleges on September 15th.

While this may seem like a light sentence to some, it's really not.
I can't really do anything to you that is worse than what you've done to yourself, gaining the respect and trust of this community back will be a huge chore.
Hopefully you will use the time off to examine your actions and improve yourself...this is what I TRULY hope.

That's all.

maskedbandit101
06-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Smell it? I do...

The sweet stench of....JUSTICE!

ytivarg
06-18-2009, 10:13 PM
Crowheart justice is so much more level-headed compared to what we have been used to.

And it was all done without a polar-bear face-palm pic, or how many posts away from 30k you are.

Bravo. ;)

jmainaz
06-18-2009, 10:52 PM
^ Now that's a good mod. At least there's one of them around here.
That's as good as a decision as any.

tbonetaker
06-18-2009, 11:42 PM
Here's how it's going to be.

You are banned Tycoon, for three months.
So on September 15th, I will be lifting your ban on some conditions.
That Das Matzes model is removed from your site and Youtube is one condition.

If that doesn't happen, the ban will become permanent.
If you create a clone account and post here, the ban will become permanent.

Otherwise, you will be welcomed back with full priveleges on September 15th.


i too a look at tycoons website and his you tube it looks like das models
have been removed from both places,

anyways,
i do hope that all those trains on the front page are legit and will be released eventually they look amazing.

Old-Spice
06-19-2009, 12:15 AM
From Old-Spice:


wow.....

While I agree on what you are saying, I am sorry that I can't agree with the the example you given. First off, this isn't that kind of robbery. Secondly, DasMatze does not hold actual copyright....

Ths isn't "that kind of robbery"? I don't know about the rest of you, but robbery is robbery. You steal something you steal it, you dont lightly steal it, or half steal it. Dasmatze made that model, weather it was copyrighted or now, it was HIS, because HE made it, so inturn it was HIS, not Tycoons. And when you take somehting from somebody without asking, and claim it as your own, that stealing, and I am fairly certain that Tycoon wasnt just "Borrowing" it.

What I said was that he needed to say sorry, and that he cant just say sorry and leave, that there will be a punnishment. Now that that is handled, and Crow did that the proper was, as I too believe in "rehabilitation", This is the last of this.

gamer2456
06-19-2009, 04:27 AM
Good mod Crowheart I like handle this like A fair judge thumb up hopefully when tycoon get back on this person will learn there lession.

Xendax
06-19-2009, 07:56 AM
Now there is a smart choice.

Astrotom3000
06-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Now there is a smart choice.
Agreed

Glad to hear that this is settled and the proper actions taken.

From tbonetaker:
i do hope that all those trains on the front page are legit and will be released eventually they look amazing.

I hope so to. They really do look great.

citytrader
06-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Well and professionally handled. Good job, Crowheart.

Ja-Kuzzi
10-04-2009, 08:12 PM
He was not unbanned. Seems he did one of the things he should not have. :down:

abercrombiehart
10-04-2009, 10:37 PM
not necessary jakuzzi

Changer098
10-05-2009, 07:28 AM
He was not unbanned. Seems he did one of the things he should not have.:down:
That is not the case, go to page two and look at the details by his acount it still says hes banned. The ban should have been lifted in September.

rainbowwarrior
10-05-2009, 02:53 PM
Wonder why he is not unbanned.Didnt he remove both the video and the model from his youtube account.Shouldn't he be unbanned.I was lookin forward to the hong kong trains.

Crowheart
10-05-2009, 02:55 PM
Hey guys.

I am working on unbanning him, it's not forgotten...just a bit late.

EDIT: No he didn't do anything, that isn't the reason it's taking longer.